Re: [802SEC] +++ P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 17 - Procedure for PARs - tentative tally

["Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)" <matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM>]

Tony,

I talked with ML, and she softened me up a little (put some sense in my
head).  

I do support (as you know) the concept of entity balloting.  However, my
intent is that if 802 wanted to have a entity ballot on an amendment or
revision to one of it's standards, it would start an 'SCC' probably with
another standards org that wanted the entity ballot in the first place.
The PAR / amended standard would then be developed through the SCC (with
802 as a participant).  This get's around the fact that in my mind
(although ML disagrees) SA does not permit a Sponsor to directly sponsor
both individual and entity balloted standards.    

ML, correctly pointed out that the text I recommend might be viewed as
barring the possibility of LMSC participating in an SCC in support of a
entity based PAR.  Accordingly I wish to amend my recommended text
too...

"3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals.  No PAR sponsored solely
by the LMSC may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of
sponsor balloting."

Thanks,

Mat

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK] 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 1:30 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++ P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 17 - Procedure for
PARs - tentative tally



Tentative tally:

   Vote categories:        DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
   -------------------------------------------------
   01 Mat Sherman          DIS
   02 Pat Thaler                  DNV
   03 Buzz Rigsbee                	  APP
   04 Bob O'Hara           DIS (Will change based on Geoff's words)
   05 John Hawkins                DNV
   06 Tony Jeffree                        APP
   07 Bob Grow             DIS (Will change based on Geoff's words)
   08 Stuart Kerry                DNV
   09 Bob Heile                   DNV
   10 Roger Marks                 DNV
   11 Mike Takefman               DNV	  APP
   12 Mike Lynch           DIS (Will change based on Geoff's words)
   13 Steve Shellhammer           DNV
   14 Jerry Upton                 DNV
   15 Ajay Rajkumar               DNV
   16 Carl Stevenson              	  APP
   17 Paul Nikolich         		  APP
                           ---++++---+++++---++++---
   TOTALS                  DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
   -16-             total: -04-   -09-    -05-   -00-

Geoff's proposed wording is:

"3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals.  An LMSC PAR specifying a
balloting method other than balloting by individuals may be submitted to
NesCom only when approved by the EC in a separate vote taken in session
at an 802 plenary to approve the exceptional balloting method."


Present situation is that all "DIS" would change to "APP based on
Geoff's wording, with the exception of Mat, who has made this comment:

"I will change my vote to approve if the following text is removed:

'unless approved in advance by a specific vote of the EC taken in
session at an 802 plenary'."

So, what Mat proposes is that the text should simply read:

"3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals.  No LMSC PAR may be
submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting."

His rationale is that, as the SA has no model P&P for running both
individual and entity balloting, we could not operate an entity ballot
within our current P&P, and therefore the question of whether or not the
EC might vote to approve one is moot.

I would like feedback on this - whether (a) Geoff's wording, or (b)
Mat's simplified wording, will be more acceptable.

Regards,
Tony

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