Re: [802SEC] Status on P&P Revisions / Agenda for Sunday Night 'Rules' meeting
I agree with all of Bob's points and my vote is also "no" until his
requested changes are adopted.
I am glad to see that one of our parliamentary experts agrees that RR is a
valuable tool and should remain in our P&P.
Carl
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> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bob O'Hara
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 2:28 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Status on P&P Revisions / Agenda for
> Sunday Night 'Rules' meeting
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> Matt,
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> In the LMSC Procedures and Process document:
> 1. I am not sure what "Any approval granted to a motion that
> does not have the required data shall be rescinded." in
> clause 21 means. If a motion has been made and that motion
> passes, how do you propose to "rescind" that motion? Who has
> the authority to say that "required data" is not present?
> Is the authority to do this absolute?
>
> Proposed resolution: delete this green sentence. Change my
> vote to "no"
> until this sentence is deleted.
>
> In the LMSC Organization document:
> 1. The EC has no business second-guessing an approved PAR.
> The EC had its chance at a decision before forwarding the PAR to SA.
>
> Proposed resolution: Delete "When determined appropriate by
> the EC" from the beginning of 7.2. Chang my vote to "no",
> until this change has been made.
>
> 2. In 7.2.5.2.3 "Hibernating Working Group Chairs become
> non-voting members of the EC after their Working Group enters
> Hibernation." is indeterminate.
> How long after?
>
> Proposed resolution: change "after" to "when". Change my
> vote to "no" until this change is made.
>
> In the LMSC Miscellaneous issue document:
> 1. There is nothing in the purpose/rationale section of this
> document that supports removing Robert's Rules. Deletion of
> this leaves us without any reference for the conduct of meetings.
>
> Proposed resolution: reinstate the reference. Maintain my
> "no" vote until this change is undone.
>
> -Bob
>
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> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew
> J. (US SSA)
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 8:48 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: [802SEC] Status on P&P Revisions / Agenda for Sunday
> Night 'Rules'
> meeting
>
> Folks,
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> We've held 4 two hours P&P Revision telecon's but we just
> aren't there yet. Aside from the fact that we have not
> discussed all the comments, the telecon's have often been
> lightly attended, and I question if the current resolutions
> represent the desires of the EC as a whole.
>
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> I have attached the current resolutions and comments for all
> four of the ballots I'm running to this e-mail. (I've
> combined parts 1 and 2 of the 'miscellaneous issues' ballot
> into one file). The voting status and comments are at the
> ends of each of the files which also include recommended
> resolutions to date. The original ballot changes are
> highlighted in yellow. Recommended comment resolutions are
> highlighted in green. I have indicated in the attached files
> which comments have been considered and which have not.
>
>
>
> Please review the attached files. If you object to any of
> the proposed resolutions in green please let me know prior to
> the Sunday session so they can be reconsidered. If you have
> comments that have not already been made please send them to
> the reflector. Monday I will take a straw poll on each
> ballot to see where things stand. It is REALLY important
> that I have as full a participation as possible on Sunday night!
> Otherwise people won't know what the status is for the straw
> polls Monday. I ask WG Chairs who cannot make the session to
> send a representative if possible. I've also extended the
> hours of the meeting. If you can only make part of it
> (particularly if there is a particular issue you want to be
> present for) please let me know and I will try to adjust the
> agenda to accommodate you.
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> The currently planned agenda is provided below.
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> Regards,
>
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> Mat
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> P&P Revision Resolution meeting Agenda (6 PM- 10 PM 1/17/05)
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> Review of Resolutions on 'LMSC Organization' ballot
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> Complete comment resolution on 'LMSC Procedures and Process' ballot
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> Complete comment resolution on 'Miscellaneous Issues' ballot
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> Complete comment resolution on 'WG Membership and Meetings' ballot
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> Other P&P related issues from floor
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> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> Senior Member Technical Staff
> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
> Office: +1 973.633.6344
> email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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