Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
Steve,
I guess it depends more on what WGs you were in during your 802 time.
In my own personal case, I prefer to have the right to vote all the
time (not that I actually vote all the time, in fact more often then
not, I don't vote and just run the meeting).
What I don't like having is the expectation that if the WG makes
a close decision that I then have to be a decision maker. I find that
puts me in a worse political situation.
mike
Shellhammer, Stephen J wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I guess I need some background on this. During my time in IEEE
> 802 I have always understood that the Chair does not vote unless it
> changes the outcome. Is this more of a tradition than a rule? Maybe it
> is a rule in some working groups and not others. Anyone else have
> information of whether the individual working groups have rules that
> differ from the 802 rules? Maybe that is where I picked it up from.
>
> Also, I checked Roberts Rules and it states that the chair only
> votes
> 1) On ballots
> 2) If the chair's vote will change the result of the vote.
>
> I now feel like a real member of the EC now that I am quoting
> Roberts Rules :)
>
> Comments?
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Takefman [mailto:tak@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:34 AM
> To: Shellhammer, Stephen J
> Cc: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
>
> I disagree with Steve on this one, a WG chair has
> always been able to vote at meetings on all issues
> unless otherwise amended by WG rules.
>
> Personally, I refuse to be disinfranchised from
> making technical decisions at meetings.
>
> mike
>
> Shellhammer, Stephen J wrote:
>
>>Matt,
>>
>>
>>
>> I vote Disapprove.
>>
>>
>>
>> My comments
>>
>>
>>
>>Procedural matters put by the Chair to the group may be decided by a
>>majority vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> This is vague. Procedure matters are either decided by a
>>majority or not. Saying it ?may? be decided by majority implies that
>>the chair can choose between 75% and a majority. The text should read
>
>
>>?Procedural matters put by the Chair to the group are decided by a
>
> majority?
>
>>
>>
>>The Working Group Chair may vote at meetings.
>>
>>
>>
>> This implies that the Chair can vote on any matter during
>
> a
>
>>meeting. It is my impression that the rules typically only allow the
>>Chair to vote if the Chair?s vote changes the outcome of the vote. I
>>believe that the rules should read in that manner. I believe the 802
>>Chair voting rules are that way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Numerical vote tallies must be taken on all matters that
>>will be brought before the EC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Good. I like that.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>*From:* owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
>
>>*On Behalf Of *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>*Sent:* Friday, January 07, 2005 9:02 PM
>>*To:* STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>*Subject:* [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear EC members,
>>
>>Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on WG
>>Voting Rules. This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19, 2004
>
>
>>EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting.
>
> The
>
>>purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached
>
> ballot
>
>>document.
>>
>>Ballot Duration: 1/8/2005 - 2/8/2005 @ 11:59 PM EST
>>
>>WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your
>>groups, and invite them to comment through you.
>>
>>Thanks & Regards,
>>
>>Mat
>>
>><<802.0-WG_Voting_Rules-P&P_Revision_ballot.pdf>>
>>
>>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>
>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>
>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>
>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>
>>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>
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