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Sent: Saturday, 08 January, 2005
4:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots
and Telecons....
Tony,
Other organizations I believe do manage to
conduct business via telecon across multiple continents. Generally it
means making a commitment to inconvenience ourselves from time to time, and
have a rotating Time schedule. Right now we are only dealing with 2
continents, so I think a fixed schedule can be made to work. I’m
willing to move the calls to Thursdays from 11 AM to 1 PM EST if it helps.
Does anyone else have comment on this
before I move the meetings?
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005
9:55 AM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US
SSA)
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots
and Telecons....
Matt -
Because of my schedule, it would need to finish before 5pm on a Friday (and
preferably earlier than that). However, that clearly gives the West Coast a
problem. (Although I'm afraid the real problem is attempting to use telecons at
all - see below).
Any other day of the week (Mon through Thurs) I wouldn't have a problem with
the timings you propose, as I am often still working at that time, although my
preference would be to shift them back 1/2 hour to finish by 6PM UK time.
In my view, if we think we are going to be credible as an International SDO, we
had better not get entrenched in *any* working pattern that effectively
disenfranchises participation outside of the North American timezones. For this
reason, I don't believe that telecons are a generally acceptable tool - as a
means of dealing with "firefighting" type problems (such as the
discussions around 802.11/Chinese delegation), they have their place, but I
have to say I am concerned about their increasing use for transacting
"normal" business, both in SEC and the WGs. At some point in the
future, we may well have SEC members from Australasia
(for example) that are going to find it totally impossible to participate in
such meetings; we must already have that problem with the present WG use of
telecons. I am therefore surprised that we haven't already seen pushback in
(for example) 802.11, where they are in frequent use at the moment.
Regards,
Tony
At 14:31 08/01/2005, Sherman,
Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
Tony,
Because of my work schedule I’m trying to find something on Friday.
I’m open to other suggestions. The problem is the west coast.
I’m also open to an alternating schedule. It is early enough I can
still change the time of the announce meeting. Please suggest….
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE
SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office:
+1 973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
From:
owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]
On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005
4:35 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots
and Telecons....
Mat -
Slight problem with the time zone calcs there - it is Fridays, 4:30 - 6:30 UK
time, but that doesn't help me much. Still a very unfriendly time for me.
Regards,
Tony
At 08:46 08/01/2005, Tony Jeffree
wrote:
Mat -
In the spirit of internationalization that seems to be high in our
consciousness at the moment, I strongly object to your choice of time for
telecons (that works out as Friday, 6:30PM through 8:30 PM UK time), which is a maximally
unfriendly time for me, being well after normal working hours at the start of a
weekend. If the timing remains there, my chances of making any of these
telecons is very slim indeed, so I regard that choice as effectively disenfranchising
me from the process.
Regards,
Tony
At 05:38 08/01/2005, Sherman,
Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
Folks,
I
realize I’m pummeling everyone with all these ballots and telecons.
I do want to be as accommodating as possible. For
various reasons, Fridays work out best for me to hold these meetings. I
chose lunch time because I felt it was a reasonable compromise between all the
time zones. I am open to other times if people feel they
would work better. Please let me know if there are preferences.
One
last point. I notice that some EC members seem never to
participate in the P&P revision process. I was hoping that
the telecom format would ease that issue somewhat. I’ve also
suggested sending delegates to the comment resolution to help ease the
load. If people chose not to participate, I think it’s bad but I
can accept it. What I really don’t want is that we spend
months discussing things and resolving things and then someone who didn’t
participate in the process objects at the final vote. I am hoping that
people who choose not to participate will give those that did the benefit of
the doubt and not block their work when the final vote comes. I am also
open to other ideas for making the process more convenient and easier for
everyone. Right now, this is the best I can come up with given the goals
we have set. Please let me know if you have comments on the process.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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