Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots and Telecons....
Matt -
Because of my schedule, it would need to finish before 5pm on a Friday
(and preferably earlier than that). However, that clearly gives the West
Coast a problem. (Although I'm afraid the real problem is attempting to
use telecons at all - see below).
Any other day of the week (Mon through Thurs) I wouldn't have a problem
with the timings you propose, as I am often still working at that time,
although my preference would be to shift them back 1/2 hour to finish by
6PM UK time.
In my view, if we think we are going to be credible as an International
SDO, we had better not get entrenched in *any* working pattern that
effectively disenfranchises participation outside of the North American
timezones. For this reason, I don't believe that telecons are a generally
acceptable tool - as a means of dealing with "firefighting"
type problems (such as the discussions around 802.11/Chinese delegation),
they have their place, but I have to say I am concerned about their
increasing use for transacting "normal" business, both in SEC
and the WGs. At some point in the future, we may well have SEC members
from Australasia (for example) that are going to find it totally
impossible to participate in such meetings; we must already have that
problem with the present WG use of telecons. I am therefore surprised
that we haven't already seen pushback in (for example) 802.11, where they
are in frequent use at the moment.
Regards,
Tony
At 14:31 08/01/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
Tony,
Because of my work schedule I’m trying to find something on Friday.
I’m open to other suggestions. The problem is the west coast.
I’m also open to an alternating schedule. It is early enough I can
still change the time of the announce meeting. Please
suggest….
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots and Telecons....
Mat -
Slight problem with the time zone calcs there - it is Fridays, 4:30 - 6:30 UK time, but that doesn't help me much. Still a very unfriendly time for me.
Regards,
Tony
At 08:46 08/01/2005, Tony Jeffree wrote:
Mat -
In the spirit of internationalization that seems to be high in our consciousness at the moment, I strongly object to your choice of time for telecons (that works out as Friday, 6:30PM through 8:30 PM UK time), which is a maximally unfriendly time for me, being well after normal working hours at the start of a weekend. If the timing remains there, my chances of making any of these telecons is very slim indeed, so I regard that choice as effectively disenfranchising me from the process.
Regards,
Tony
At 05:38 08/01/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
Folks,
I realize I’m pummeling everyone with all these ballots and telecons. I do want to be as accommodating as possible. For various reasons, Fridays work out best for me to hold these meetings. I chose lunch time because I felt it was a reasonable compromise between all the time zones. I am open to other times if people feel they would work better. Please let me know if there are preferences.
One last point. I notice that some EC members seem never to participate in the P&P revision process. I was hoping that the telecom format would ease that issue somewhat. I’ve also suggested sending delegates to the comment resolution to help ease the load. If people chose not to participate, I think it’s bad but I can accept it. What I really don’t want is that we spend months discussing things and resolving things and then someone who didn’t participate in the process objects at the final vote. I am hoping that people who choose not to participate will give those that did the benefit of the doubt and not block their work when the final vote comes. I am also open to other ideas for making the process more convenient and easier for everyone. Right now, this is the best I can come up with given the goals we have set. Please let me know if you have comments on the process.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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Regards,
Tony
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