Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
Roger-
Works for me.
The only possible refinements that I can imagine are:
-Convert
your 802.16 AOE information page to an 802 page
-Ask the
folks at timeanddate.com to add Howland/Baker Islands to their supported
list and update accordingly.
I am perfectly happy to specify only the "closing date" on the
ballot and have the precise interpretation in the P&P
-OR-
use your format as below.
Superb.
Geoff
At 11:57 PM 1/6/2005 -0800, Roger B. Marks wrote:
When you boil down all this discussion, I
think it's worth considering again the way we do this in 802.16. It's
really not as complicated as you might think. For example, this is entire
the deadline statement for a current ballot:
Closing
date:
10
January 2005 AOE
("Anywhere on
Earth")
See: no reference to times or time zones. No "midnight", no
"11:59", no "Y", no "IDLW", no
"UTC-12", no "GMT", no "Howland
Island".
If you click the date, you get a web page that gives you the specific
date and time of the deadline in every major city. This link is trivial
to program. It's not necessary to include this link, but people
appreciate it.
If you click the date, you get a static web page that defines AOE and
lets people easily figure out their local time at the deadline. It also
has some informative geography, for educational and entertainment
purposes. I've updated that page a bit following our discussions.
Roger
At 22:23 -0500 2005-01-06, Michael Lynch wrote:
Actually letter time zone designations (e.g.
"Z" for Greenwich or UTC) are used out side of the military.
Once explained/documented it should be no more difficult that using
UTC-12. Both presume that the individual understands the difference
between their time zone and Greenwich which is not necessarily a
given.
Regards,
Mike
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
I agree that some people will wonder if it is not specified. I suggest
that it should be specified as "11:59 PM IDLW (UTC-12)". I
believe that Y (or Yankee) is used only by the military.
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Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
I agree that it's simplest to not quote a time on the ballot
announcement, but I do think there needs to be a rule or procedure
documenting the default deadline time so that there is no ambiguity. It's
not enough to just give people the benefit of the doubt; sometimes, they
don't want to have any doubt.
Also, Fiji won't work because it's on the west side of the date line. You
need the time zone just to the east of the date line. It's known as
"Y", "IDLW" ("International Date Line
West"), or UTC-12
<<http://www.worldtimezone.com/utc/utc-1200.html>http://www.worldtimezone.com/utc/utc-1200.html>.
Roger
>That is indeed the simplest solution.
>
>Regards,
>Tony
>
>At 04:09 06/01/2005, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>Actually, I suggest that the implementation be that we only
specify
>>the closing date
>>
>>
>>...and that as long as it makes it by 11:59 pm of that date in
Fiji
>>then it is OK
>>
>>Geoff
>>
>>At 03:44 PM 1/5/2005 -0800, John Lemon wrote:
>>>Rather than create a new "timeless zone" that no on
has ever heard of
>>>and is certainly not standard, I suggest using one of the
following
>>>(listed in decreasing preference):
>>>
>>>1) Specify the ending time to be 11:59 PM in the time zone in
which
>>>the person is currently located.
>>>2) Specify the last minute of the day through one of the
following means:
>>> a) 11:59 AM UTC of the following day --
truly international, but
>>>perhaps a bit too difficult for some
>>> b) 11:59 PM NUT (Niue Time)
>>> c) 11:59 PM BET (Bering Time)
>>>
>>>John Lemon
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>>>[<mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On>mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
>>>Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:58 PM
>>>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
>>>
>>>
>>>Geoff,
>>>
>>>Yes, I created the AOE (Anywhere on Earth) deadline a few
years ago
>>>to be geographically neutral. We use it for all 802.16
deadlines. [I
>>>haven't tried to introduce it to t he Balloting
Center.]
>>>
>>>AOE isn't a time zone, and there isn't any "11:59 pm
AOE". For
>>>instance, we currently have a deadline of "13 January
2005 AOE". The
>>>ballot is active as long as, anywhere on earth, 13 January is
not yet
>>>over.
>>>
>>>I include in the ballot announcement a link to a web site set
to show
>>>the deadline in major cities. For example, this is "13
January 2005
>>>AOE":
>>>
<http://tinyurl.com/65vnt>http://tinyurl.com/65vnt
>>>For this purpose, I program 11:59 pm for clarity.
>>>
>>>AOE is documented here:
>>>
<http://ieee802.org/16/aoe.html>http://ieee802.org/16/aoe.html
>>>The page includes some other tools for calculating the
deadline.
>>>
>>>I do believe that the AOE deadline helps to maintain
our
>>>geographically-neutral identity, and I do recommend it
throughout
>>>802.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>At 11:30 -0800 2005-01-04, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>>>Mat-
>>>>
>>>>One of the things that I think 802 should do in light of
its desire
>>>>to make itself more internationally oriented is to quite
being so US
>>>>centric (dare I say, even US power-center centric, i.e.
Eastern
>>>>Time) on its ballots.
>>>>
>>>>A while back (I believe it was) Roger implemented a time
zone called
>>>>AOE (Anywhere on Earth) which was effectively the last
time zone
>>>>east of the international date line. I believe that all
802 ballots
>>>>should close at 11:59 PM AOE.
>>>>
>>>>This would be just one more little step to being country
neutral and
>>>>a little less jingoistic.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Geoff
>>>
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