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In another career the system that I was fielding was a digital telecom system that had a network management soft tool that was designed by a European company and was meant to send management messages across time zone boundaries. That company had mistakenly used the cartography zone letters rather than the actual time zone ones. Those are centered on "Z" as are the time zone alpha designators. Unlike the time zone alphas which omit the letter "J" the cartography designators omit two letters. It was okay if you stayed in Europe but not outside of there since at some point they are no longer in the same order. Needless to say the system had some difficulties operating outside of Europe.
Point is that it isn't safe to presume that folks will know/understand about time zones, even if they are expressed in alpha characters or UTC. If we use "Y" or "UTC-12" we need to explain it very clearly and have a reference point (on line) that folks can refer to figure out where they are in relation to it. It probably should be something like a world map with the alpha time zone and UTC designators (or at least hour differences) clearly shown. One exists at worldtimezone.com. It provides hours plus or minus and the alpha designators with a reasonable map. Of course that doesn't account for daylight savings time but that is not used universally.
Regards,
Mike
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Lemon
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 17:34
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
I agree that some people will wonder if it is not specified. I suggest that it should be specified as "11:59 PM IDLW (UTC-12)". I believe that Y (or Yankee) is used only by the military.
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:49 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
I agree that it's simplest to not quote a time on the ballot announcement, but I do think there needs to be a rule or procedure documenting the default deadline time so that there is no ambiguity. It's not enough to just give people the benefit of the doubt; sometimes, they don't want to have any doubt.
Also, Fiji won't work because it's on the west side of the date line. You need the time zone just to the east of the date line. It's known as "Y", "IDLW" ("International Date Line West"), or UTC-12 <http://www.worldtimezone.com/utc/utc-1200.html>.
Roger
>That is indeed the simplest solution.
>
>Regards,
>Tony
>
>At 04:09 06/01/2005, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>Actually, I suggest that the implementation be that we only specify
>>the closing date
>>
>>
>>...and that as long as it makes it by 11:59 pm of that date in Fiji
>>then it is OK
>>
>>Geoff
>>
>>At 03:44 PM 1/5/2005 -0800, John Lemon wrote:
>>>Rather than create a new "timeless zone" that no on has ever heard of
>>>and is certainly not standard, I suggest using one of the following
>>>(listed in decreasing preference):
>>>
>>>1) Specify the ending time to be 11:59 PM in the time zone in which
>>>the person is currently located.
>>>2) Specify the last minute of the day through one of the following means:
>>> a) 11:59 AM UTC of the following day -- truly international, but
>>>perhaps a bit too difficult for some
>>> b) 11:59 PM NUT (Niue Time)
>>> c) 11:59 PM BET (Bering Time)
>>>
>>>John Lemon
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
>>>Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:58 PM
>>>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] Regarding ballot closings
>>>
>>>
>>>Geoff,
>>>
>>>Yes, I created the AOE (Anywhere on Earth) deadline a few years ago
>>>to be geographically neutral. We use it for all 802.16 deadlines. [I
>>>haven't tried to introduce it to t he Balloting Center.]
>>>
>>>AOE isn't a time zone, and there isn't any "11:59 pm AOE". For
>>>instance, we currently have a deadline of "13 January 2005 AOE". The
>>>ballot is active as long as, anywhere on earth, 13 January is not yet
>>>over.
>>>
>>>I include in the ballot announcement a link to a web site set to show
>>>the deadline in major cities. For example, this is "13 January 2005
>>>AOE":
>>> http://tinyurl.com/65vnt
>>>For this purpose, I program 11:59 pm for clarity.
>>>
>>>AOE is documented here:
>>> http://ieee802.org/16/aoe.html
>>>The page includes some other tools for calculating the deadline.
>>>
>>>I do believe that the AOE deadline helps to maintain our
>>>geographically-neutral identity, and I do recommend it throughout
>>>802.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>At 11:30 -0800 2005-01-04, Geoff Thompson wrote:
>>>>Mat-
>>>>
>>>>One of the things that I think 802 should do in light of its desire
>>>>to make itself more internationally oriented is to quite being so US
>>>>centric (dare I say, even US power-center centric, i.e. Eastern
>>>>Time) on its ballots.
>>>>
>>>>A while back (I believe it was) Roger implemented a time zone called
>>>>AOE (Anywhere on Earth) which was effectively the last time zone
>>>>east of the international date line. I believe that all 802 ballots
>>>>should close at 11:59 PM AOE.
>>>>
>>>>This would be just one more little step to being country neutral and
>>>>a little less jingoistic.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Geoff
>>>
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>Tony
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