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Just a reminder to everyone that the
P&P ballots both end tonight at 11:59 EST. Thanks to those who provided
the recent flurry of comments. To those who haven’t done so, please send
me you comments today. Thanks, Mat Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. From: Grow, Bob
[mailto:bob.grow@intel.com] Mat: Disapprove. I agree with a number of
the comments previously submitted. 1. 7.1.6.1, item 2 should only apply
to active WG/TAGs. and consequently sub item a must be changed. It is
less clear to me if the priviledge in sub item b should also be restricted to
voting members of the EC (thus eliminating hibernating WG Chairs and the
Member Emeritus) from being able to propose except through a voting
member. In the case of hibernating members, based on experience, I favor
the change (EC activity has been far too marginal in the past). I am less
inclined because of no experience with the Member Emeritus and expectation of
consistent and quality participation when Mr. Thompson is in that
position). In gereral though, I am willing to trust the EC to
squelch rules change noise that might come from the non-voting EC members of
subitem b and therefore only require clarification on subitem a. 2. 7.1.6.2,
second paragraph. This is ambiguous and could be considered to
conflict with RROR and since precidence would apply, it would rule out a motion
to reconsider without justification. Delete the paragraph. 3. Various -- in mulitple places, I
see "members with voting rights" or similar text. All such
clarifications would be removed and P&P maintenance would be
simplified if 7.1.4 simply stated: "Only members of the EC with
voting rights are counted in either the numerator or denominator in
determinating the approval threshold for any EC vote. Unless specified
otherwise in these P&P all EC votes are in addition subject to the following
provisions. Voting is by simple majority of yea divided by yea plus
nay. The quroum requirement is at least one-half of the Executive
Committee voting members present. The Chair only votes to break
ties." Please note that is is consistent with our
practice (e.g., the 0,0,12 vote where Paul cast the tie breaking vote but per
this section, the vote should not have passed because of the 12 abstentions),
but this is a change from the current rule which states "simple
majority of members present". We might also consider if the last
sentence is consistent with our practice where RROR allows the the chair to
cast a deciding vote (different than breaking a tie). If this change is
considered out of scope for the ballot I would recommend: "Only
members of the EC with voting rights are counted in either the numerator or
denominator in determinating the approval threshold for any EC vote.
Unless specified otherwise in these P&P all EC votes are in addition
subject to the following provisions. Voting is by simple majority of
voting members present. The quroum requirement is at least one-half of
the Executive Committee voting members present. The Chair only votes to
break ties." 4. 7.1.6.4, second paragraph.
Change to read "...shall require at least a two-thirds affirmative EC
vote, and will ..." If my preferred change to 7.1.4 is rejected, I
agree with 5. 7.1.6.4, second and third
paragraphs. Effectivity of the change is ambiguous. If there
is no opposition or comment must the change be presented for another ratifying
vogte of the EC at a plenary? This paragraph could apply to the electronic
vote of the first paragraph, not necessarily a meeting vote at the next plenary
meeting. The thrid paragraph has a redundant sentence with the second
paragraph. 6. 7.1.6.5 There needs to be
some recourse when members of the EC question if a change was truly editorial,
which can occur with formatting changes (e.g., changing prose into a list
occasionally does this but might just be considered an editorial change. --Bob From:
owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On
Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) All, As a reminder, this ballot closes on
Tuesday! So far I have received 1 approve vote, and no comments.
Please take a little time to review this and forward any comments you
might have to myself and the reflector. Thanks, Mat Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. From:
owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On
Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) Dear
EC members, Attached
you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on the LMSC P&P Revision Process.
This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting. The text is identical
to that presented at the meeting. The purpose and rationale for the
ballot are as given in the attached ballot document. Ballot
Duration: 12/5/2004 -
1/5/2004 @ 11:59 PM EST WG/TAG
chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your groups, and invite them to comment
through you. Thanks
& Regards, Mat <<802.0-P&P_Revision_Process-P&P_Revision_ballot.doc>>
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. Vice
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