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Mat:
Disapprove. I agree with a number of the comments
previously submitted.
1. 7.1.6.1, item 2 should only apply to active
WG/TAGs. and consequently sub item a must be changed. It is less clear to
me if the priviledge in sub item b should also be restricted to voting members
of the EC (thus eliminating hibernating WG Chairs and the Member Emeritus)
from being able to propose except through a voting member. In the case of
hibernating members, based on experience, I favor the change (EC activity has
been far too marginal in the past). I am less inclined because of no
experience with the Member Emeritus and expectation of consistent and quality
participation when Mr. Thompson is in that position). In gereral
though, I am willing to trust the EC to squelch rules change noise that might
come from the non-voting EC members of subitem b and therefore only require
clarification on subitem a.
2. 7.1.6.2, second paragraph. This is
ambiguous and could be considered to conflict with RROR and since precidence
would apply, it would rule out a motion to reconsider without
justification. Delete the paragraph.
3. Various -- in mulitple places, I see
"members with voting rights" or similar text. All such clarifications
would be removed and P&P maintenance would be simplified if 7.1.4
simply stated: "Only members of the EC with voting rights are counted in
either the numerator or denominator in determinating the approval threshold for
any EC vote. Unless specified otherwise in these P&P all EC votes are
in addition subject to the following provisions. Voting is by simple
majority of yea divided by yea plus nay. The quroum requirement is at
least one-half of the Executive Committee voting members present. The
Chair only votes to break ties."
Please note that is is consistent with our practice (e.g.,
the 0,0,12 vote where Paul cast the tie breaking vote but per this section, the
vote should not have passed because of the 12 abstentions), but this is a
change from the current rule which states "simple majority of members
present". We might also consider if the last sentence is consistent with
our practice where RROR allows the the chair to cast a deciding vote (different
than breaking a tie). If this change is considered out of scope for the
ballot I would recommend: "Only members of the EC with voting rights are
counted in either the numerator or denominator in determinating the approval
threshold for any EC vote. Unless specified otherwise in these P&P all
EC votes are in addition subject to the following provisions. Voting is by
simple majority of voting members present. The quroum requirement is at
least one-half of the Executive Committee voting members present. The
Chair only votes to break ties."
4. 7.1.6.4, second paragraph. Change to read
"...shall require at least a two-thirds affirmative EC vote, and will ..."
If my preferred change to 7.1.4 is rejected, I agree with Bob O'Hara's comment
about removing "voting", if my change is accepted, Bob's change
is unnecessary.
5. 7.1.6.4, second
and third paragraphs. Effectivity of the change is ambiguous.
If there is no opposition or comment must the change be presented for another
ratifying vogte of the EC at a plenary? This paragraph could apply to the
electronic vote of the first paragraph, not necessarily a meeting vote at the
next plenary meeting. The thrid paragraph has a redundant sentence with
the second paragraph.
6. 7.1.6.5
There needs to be some recourse when members of the EC question if a change was
truly editorial, which can occur with formatting changes (e.g., changing prose
into a list occasionally does this but might just be considered an editorial
change.
--Bob
From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:48 AM To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ P&P_Revision_Process All, As a reminder, this
ballot closes on Tuesday! So far I have received 1 approve vote, and no
comments. Please take a little time to review this and forward any
comments you might have to myself and the
reflector. Thanks, Mat Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
From:
owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US
SSA) Dear EC
members, Attached you will find the text for
an LMSC P&P revision ballot on the LMSC P&P Revision Process. This ballot was
approved at the Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting. The text is identical
to that presented at the meeting. The purpose and rationale for the ballot
are as given in the attached ballot document. Ballot Duration: 12/5/2004 - 1/5/2004
@ 11:59 PM EST WG/TAG chairs, please distribute
this P&P revision ballot to your groups, and invite them to comment through
you. Thanks &
Regards, Mat <<802.0-P&P_Revision_Process-P&P_Revision_ballot.doc>>
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D. Vice Chair, IEEE
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