Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ P&P_Revision_Process
Mat-
My "non-voting" vote on "LMSC P&P Revision Ballot
+++ P&P_Revision_Process"
DISAPPROVE, my vote will change to approve upon satisfactory resolution
of the issues mentioned below.
First, I would strongly suggest that all ballots be distributed as PDF's
and have line numbers on each page so that (a) page location of text is
stable and (b) referenced text can be pointed to precisely.
7.1.6.1 sub (2)(a)
CHANGE "my" TO "may"
7.1.6.1 sub (2)
CURRENT TEXT:
a) Any working group or technical advisory group. A proposal shall
require the affirmative vote of at least three fourths of the members
present when the vote is taken, quorum requirements shall be as specified
in subclause Error! Reference source not found. Error! Reference source
not found.
SHOULD BE:
a) Any currently active working or technical advisory group. A
proposal shall require the affirmative vote of at least three fourths of
the members present of such working group or technical advisory group.
When the vote is taken, quorum requirements shall be as specified in
subclause [to be supplied by 1st Vice Chair].
RATIONALE
Clarity and precision, proposal can only be made by active groups.
7.1.6.2 Proposed changes
I do not understand the intent of this change. As closely as I can tell
the only effect is that it will no longer be proper to discuss issues
"formerly known as assigned for study" at the Sunday P&P
meetings. This seems counterproductive. As such, I would be opposed. I am
perfectly willing to mandate that "FKAAFS" go the bottom of the
agenda on Sunday.
I also don't know what "may not be
considered again until a future session" means.
Do you mean "shall not be
considered again until a future plenary session"?
...or do you mean something else?
What does "not considered" mean? Does that mean discussion on
the topic is forbidden on the EC reflector? Please define
"considered" in this context. I am particularly concerned as to
what this may mean if we enable "future sessions" to be
teleconferences. I do not think we should be revising our P&P away
from the plenaries.
I am willing to say that "FKAAFS" will not be balloted on
before the next plenary meeting of the EC.
STRONG OBJECTION
To the following text:
An up to date LMSC P&P should be maintained on the IEEE 802
website.
REPLACE WITH:
"The currently in-force LMSC P&P shall be that which is on the
IEEE 802 website."
(I would prefer that we also specify an unchanging URL)
Appropriate changes to the surrounding text should also be made. My
position would be that a version of the P&P "is
qualified" to be put in force at the end of the plenary session but
that it is not in force until it is posted. What folks can get is what
should be the law, not what they "are supposed to have". This
will keep us clean with AudCom and probably (once again) make us the
shining example of how things should be run.
7.1.6.5 Editorial Discretion
I have some problems with this. It needs to be less absolute so we have
somewhere to go in case of a dispute. For example, there should be
provision to roll back to the last voted text if there is a change in
dispute. We should be notified if there is an non-voted update.
I look forward to our discussions to satisfactorily resolve all of these
issues.
With best regards and sincerest wishes for a Happy new Year,
Geoff
At 09:20 AM 1/1/2005 -0500, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
All,
It s a new year so in case your minds have been wiped clean from last
year I am forwarding a copy of this ballot for your reference!
Enjoy,
Mat
Matthew
Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:59 PM
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Subject: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ P&P_Revision_Process
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on the LMSC P&P Revision Process. This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting. The purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot document.
Ballot Duration: 12/5/2004 - 1/5/2004 @ 11:59 PM EST
WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your groups, and invite them to comment through you.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
<<802.0-P&P_Revision_Process-P&P_Revision_ballot.doc>>
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Vice Chair, IEEE 802
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Mail Stop 11B01
164 Totowa Road
Wayne, NJ 07474-0975
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
Fax: +1 973.633.6004
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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