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Bob,
I agree. If we are to be an international SDO then we should not restrict plenary sessions to North America.
Mike
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bob O'Hara
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 18:51
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenaries outside N.A.
Buzz,
Consensus is what I am trying to demonstrate by this motion. If it fails, there is no consensus. If it passes, well, that tells us that there is consensus. From the discussion on this topic, both in the 802 meetings and on this reflector, I believe there is strong consensus for an 802 PLENARY session outside of North America, as soon as possible. I think there is also consensus that the cost of such a session is not an overriding issue.
Running a survey of the membership would not provide any significant information, I think. Since the vast majority of the membership is based in North America, I believe the outcome of such a survey is a foregone conclusion.
We have a duty to the IEEE and to the industry to operate as a truly international standards development organization. I think that having at least one plenary session outside of North America is the minimum we can do. If we were to be truly international, I think that we would be rotating plenaries to be held once each year in the Asia-Pacific region, the Europe/Africa region, and the Americas region.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 4:26 PM
To: Bob O'Hara; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Plenaries outside N.A.
Bob, I can assure you that if we try to do an international venue for March 2008 then January 2008 will not be an option. Further I would recommend that we wait until we have the proposals and the costs for the January 2007 Session to review before we start passing motions requiring international plenaries at some regular frequency. It would also be prudent, I think, to run a survey of our entire attendee poulation as to what frequency they would be willing to support for international plenaries. I would prefer that we not lock ourselves into something until we've had a chance to know what we are getting in for and have a solid consensus about it. We do understand the desire and the need, but we should avoid knee-jerk reactions on matters that can affect the viability of the organization as a whole. That does not reflect well on the group as a whole. We're supposed to be consensus driven.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bob@AIRESPACE.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:35 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenaries outside N.A.
Buzz,
If the first open plenary session is March 2008, then I will modify my motion to make that the first outside N.A. plenary. It would seem that if we do both a January 2007 and January 2008 all-interims session out of N.A., that should be enough practice to support a plenary in March of 2008. We might even be able to start with an interim session in January 2006, if a location can be found. Why wait two years? Nearly all of the working groups have held interim sessions out of N.A.. I am sure that they will be willing to offer advice and lessons learned.
Paul, Please enter the following motion for me, seconded by Jerry:
"I move that beginning no later than the March 2008 802 plenary session, at least one 802 plenary session shall be held outside of North America in each calendar year."
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
On Behalf Of Rigsbee, Everett O
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:40 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenaries outside N.A.
Bob, Unfortunately we have signed contracts through Nov 2007 with our first opening at March 2008 (and only because we missed on getting HR-NewOrleans in San Antonio). That is why I propose that we do 802-Hosted Interim Sessions with all Working Groups present for January 2007 and January 2008 and then plan to do a Plenary Session in 2009. Let's walk before we try to run.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
(425) 865-2443 Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara [mailto:bob@AIRESPACE.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:30 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] Plenaries outside N.A.
To make this perfectly clear to everyone, is a motion to be dealt with via email appropriate? If someone else will second this motion, I will be happy to make it:
"I move that beginning no later than the November 2006 802 plenary session, at least one 802 plenary session shall be held outside of North America in each calendar year."
If we already have signed contracts for the November 2006 session, I will be happy to modify this motion to refer to the first session for which we do not yet have signed contracts.
-Bob
Bob O'Hara
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