Re: [802SEC] +++EC MOTION+++ ENDS 22 OCT+++Approval of IEEE P802.11p news release
The approved PAR is at
http://standards.ieee.org/board/nes/projects/802-11p.pdf, for all 802
PARs at http://standards.ieee.org/board/nes/1-999.html. The one you
found looks to me like the approved PAR.
I guess we simply disagree about the paragraph you deleted.
--Bob
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org]
>Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:44 PM
>To: Grow, Bob
>Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC MOTION+++ ENDS 22 OCT+++Approval
>of IEEE P802.11p news release
>
>Bob,
>
>Before I wrote my comments, I looked around for copy of the PAR. I
>found this one:
> http://ieee802.org/secmail/doc00268.doc
>which was in this message:
> http://ieee802.org/secmail/msg05423.html
>
>I didn't find the full and final approved version.
>
>Roger
>
>
>>I also vote disapprove. While I agree with most of Roger's edits, I
>>disagree with a couple as noted in the attached.
>>
>>I don't know which PAR Roger was reviewing, but the PAR on the 802.11
>>site is a draft and it disagrees substantially with the approved PAR
>>recorded in the NesCom database.
>>
>>I have added edits to those recommended by Roger and indicated where I
>>disagree with his. The two items that are the basis of my disapprove
>>vote though are:
>>
>>1. The release is improperly skewed to lead the reader to
>think this is
>>a safety standard, that is contrary to what is stated in the approved
>>PAR.
>>2. If this project is balloted as an amendment to IEEE Std
>802.11-1999
>>and other schedules hold there is a serious project
>management problem.
>>P802.11REVam is scheduled to complete before P802.11p goes to sponsor
>>ballot. While the web form at various times required that the year be
>>filled in (making it difficult to properly indicate revision and
>>amendment phasing), there is no reason to perpetuate in a
>press release
>>something that that I am assuming is not part of the plan for amending
>>and revising IEEE Std 802.11.
>>
>>--Bob Grow
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of
>>>Roger B. Marks
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:16 PM
>>>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC MOTION+++ ENDS 22 OCT+++Approval
>>>of IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>
>>>I vote Disapprove. I will change my vote to Approve if the changes
>>>indicated in the attachment are made.
>>>
>>>In one case, I have added a rationale. In other cases, I can explain
>>>the rationale upon request.
>>>
>>>Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>At 22:20 -0400 2004-10-12, Paul Nikolich wrote:
>>>>Dear EC Members,
>>>>
>>>>This is an email ballot of 10 day duration on the following motion:
>>>>
>>>>To approve the attached press release prepared by IEEE-SA
>>>staff announcing
>>>>the approval of the P802.11p PAR.
>>>>Moved: Stuart Kerry
>>>>Second: Bob Heile
>>>>
>>>>It opens 11PM edt 12OCT and closes 11PM edt 22 October.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>--Paul Nikolich
>>>>IEEE 802 Chairman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>>>>Cc: <k.mccabe@ieee.org>; <apetrick@icefyre.com>; <bheile@ieee.org>;
>>>><hworstell@att.com>; <lra@tiac.net>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:51 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: RE: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>>It looks fine to me with Karen's tidy up work. Please start
>>>the motion in
>>>>>the 802 ExCom.
>>>>>
>>>>>As previously stated Bob Heile seconds this motion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Stuart J. Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>>Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>>1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ,
>>>>>
>>>>>San Jose, CA 95131-1706,
>>>>>
>>>>>United States of America.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356
>>>>>
>>>>>Fax: +1 (408) 474-5343
>>>>>
>>>>>Cell: +1 (408) 348-3171
>>>>>
>>>>>eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: k.mccabe@ieee.org [mailto:k.mccabe@ieee.org]
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:25 PM
>>>>>To: Stuart Kerry; apetrick@icefyre.com
>>>>>Cc: p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: Fw: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>We gave the release a good editorial scrub and attached is
>the clean
>>>>>version. Please note, since we have described/qualified IEEE
>>>P802.11p as a
>>>>>"standard development project" and " a draft standard
>>>amendment" under
>>>>>development in the first two paragraphs of the release, we
>>>can comfortably
>>>>>refer (and in proper PR style) to it as "IEEE P802.11p" in
>> >the remainder
>>>>>of
>>>>>the release--to stay consistent, streamlined and avoid introducing
>>>>>confusion by limiting interchanging "standard development
>>>project" and
>>>>>"draft standard amendment" as qualifiers (the use of these
>>>was getting a
>>>>>bit overwhelming)--especially since the remainder of the
>>>release couches
>>>>>the standard project in terms of being under development, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>Karen
>>>>>
>>>>>(See attached file: PR_P802.11pV3.doc)
>>>>>
>>>>>Karen McCabe
>>>>>Senior Marketing Manager, IEEE Standards
>>>>>445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
>>>>>Piscataway NJ 08855 USA
>>>>>PH: +1 732 562 3824
>>>>>email: k.mccabe@ieee.org
>>>>>http://standards.ieee.org
>>>>>Think Standards! Think IEEE!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul Nikolich"
>>>>>
>>>>> <paul.nikolich@at To:
>>>>><k.mccabe@ieee.org>, <stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> t.net> cc:
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Fw:
>>>IEEE P802.11p
>>>>>news release
>>>>> 10/12/2004 02:08
>>>>>
>>>>> PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Please respond to
>>>>>
>>>>> "Paul Nikolich"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>>Please give this PR once last editorial scrub, create a new
>>>clean version,
>>>>>and send it to Stuart for review.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stuart, once you approve the clean version, please try to get an EC
>>>>>seconder
>>>>>and I'll issue the EC ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>--Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>; <k.mccabe@ieee.org>
>>>>>Cc: <lra@tiac.net>; <brian@linux-wlan.com>; <apetrick@icefyre.com>;
>>>>><hworstell@att.com>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:41 PM
>>>>>Subject: RE: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Paul and Karen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have modified the press release to show that the contact for the
>>>>>working
>>>>>>group is the WG Chair only. With that done, I am happy with
>>>the rest of
>>>>>>the release. Therefore I move this motion to you as the 802
>>>ExCom Chair,
>>>>>>and for you to call for a second to begin discussion and
>subsequent
>>>>>>approval process in an 802 ExCom Electronic Ballot of the
>committee
>>>>>>members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>/ Stuart
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P.S. Modified release attached
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net]
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:11 AM
>>>>>>To: k.mccabe@ieee.org; p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>>>>>Cc: lra@tiac.net; stuart@ok-brit.com; brian@linux-wlan.com
>>>>>>Subject: Re: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Karen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Before we send this out to the EC for approval I made several
>>>>>corrections
>>>>>>and added a quote from me. The corrections are mostly
>>>making sure to
>>>>>the
>>>>>>reader that it is clear that a PROJECT was approved to
>>>develop a DRAFT
>>>>>>STANDARD. We need to be careful in the future to ensure
>we maintain
>>>>>this
>>>>>>distinction in future releases of approved projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I have not included all the right people on this email
>>>for review and
>>>>>>approval of my suggested changes, please include the necessary
>>>>>individuals
>>>>>>
>>>>>>and then resubmit the request for an EC motion to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, just to be clear, the EC motion needs to be made and
>>>seconded by 2
>>>>>>EC
>>>>>>members (typically the WG Chair and another). I cannot
>>>begin a ballot
>>>>>>without that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>From: <k.mccabe@ieee.org>
>>>>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>>>>>>Cc: <lra@tiac.net>; <stuart@ok-brit.com>; <brian@linux-wlan.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:36 AM
>>>>>>Subject: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Paul,
>>>>>>>Working with Lee Armstrong we have developed a news
>release on the
>>>>>start
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>the IEEE 802.11p standard. It's attached and "ready" for the EC
>>>>>approval
>>>>>>>process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>>>Karen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(See attached file: PR_P802.11pV1.doc)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Karen McCabe
>>>>>>>Senior Marketing Manager, IEEE Standards
>>>>>>>445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
>>>>>>>Piscataway NJ 08855 USA
>> >>>>>PH: +1 732 562 3824
>>>>>>>email: k.mccabe@ieee.org
>>>>>>>http://standards.ieee.org
>>>>>>>Think Standards! Think IEEE!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>(See attached file: SJK Modified PR_P802 11pV2.doc)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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