Re: [802SEC] +++ Disbanding of 802.4+++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 18 SEPT+++tentative tally
I would like to switch my vote to "Approve". That's because I am now
convinced that all of the 802.4 standards are withdrawn, even though
the IEEE-SA project database says otherwise. Thanks to Paul for the
investigation, with research by Jodi Haasz.
Roger
>Dear EC members,
>
>The below email ballot closes 5PMedt 18Sept 2004, it was originally
>scheduled to close 4Sept, but since it was not time critical, I
>extended the close by two weeks to give the DNVs a chance to cast
>their ballots. The tentative tally for the below motion is
>
>08 Approve
>03 Disapprove
>00 Did Not Vote
>04 Abstains
>
>Please verify your vote, if I did not record it correctly below,
>send me a correction note. If you did not vote, please cast your
>ballot.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>
>
>Vote categories: DIS DNV APP ABS
> -----------------------------------------------
> 01 Mat Sherman+ APP
> 02 Howard Frazier+ DIS
> 03 Buzz Rigsbee+ DIS
> 04 Bob O'Hara+ ABS
> 05 John Hawkins+ APP
> 06 Tony Jeffree+ APP
> 07 Bob Grow+ APP
> 08 Stuart Kerry+ ABS
> 09 Bob Heile+ ABS
> 10 Roger Marks+ DIS
> 11 Mike Takefman+ APP
> 12 Carl Stevenson+ APP
> 13 Steve Shellhammer+ APP
> 14 Jerry Upton+ APP
> 15 Ajay Rajkumar+ ABS
> ---++++---+++++---++++---
> TOTALS DIS DNV APP ABS
> total: -03- -00- -08- -04-
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>Paul Nikolich
>To: <mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:17 PM
>Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.4
>
>Dear EC members,
>
>I am withdrawing the original disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9 motion
>on behalf of the mover and seconder and replacing it with two
>motions, one to disband 802.4 and one to disband 802.9.
>
>This is a 30 day email ballot to make a determination on the following motion:
>
>Whereas 802.4 is in hibernation and no longer has any active
>standards I move to to disband 802.4 per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P."
>Moved: Mat Sherman, Second: Tony Jeffree
>
>The ballot opens 04August 2004 5pm edt and closes 04September 2004 5pm edt.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>Paul Nikolich
>To: <mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:03 PM
>Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of
>802.4 and 802.9
>
>Dear EC Members,
>
>This is a 30 day email ballot to make a determination on the following motion:
>
>Motion:
>Whereas 802.4 and 802.9 are in hibernation and no longer appear to
>have any active standards, per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P I'd like to
>request a 30 day electronic ballot of the EC on a motion to disband
>802.4 and 802.9.
>
>The ballot opens 04August 2004 1pm edt and closes 04September 2004 1pm edt.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>
>
>PLEASE NOTE THE BELOW:
>I have contacted the chairs of the hibernating 802.4 and 802.9
>Working Groups, Paul Eastman and Dhadesugoor Vaman to get their
>input on the disbanding of their Working Groups. They have also
>been copied on this email ballot. On behalf of the entire LMSC, I
>wish to thank Paul and Dhadesugoor for their time and energy they
>have spent over the years in leading their respective projects.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Vaman concurs with the disbanding action and his response to my
>inquiry was as follows:
>
>"Dear Paul:
>Greetings. I think you should go ahead with the plans for
>disbandment of IEEE 802.9. I do not think that any body has any
>problems, since the group has not met for many years.
>[irrelevant text deleted]...
>Best regards
>Vaman
>(T) 301-514-7880"
><mailto:vaman@sbcglobal.net>vaman@sbcglobal.net
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Paul Eastman disagrees with the disbanding action and his response
>to my inquiry was as follows:
>
>"I disagreed with the disbanding in 2000 (or 2001) and I still
>disagree. These standards are still in use in isolated
>applications. I also believe that these old standards should have
>the right to protect their legacy. Under the current rules, there
>is no method for such protection. I know that I am in a very small
>minority regarding my opinion but I am not about to roll over in
>bowing to the majority. I will abide by the majority but will
>maintain my opinion. I do not remember when (other than 2000 or
>2001) 802.4 was disbanded.
>
>-- Paul Eastman"
><mailto:paul@rfnetworks.com>paul@rfnetworks.com
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>Paul Nikolich
>To: <mailto:STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:04 AM
>Subject: [802SEC] Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9
>
>Dear EC members,
>
>There has been a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9, made by Mat
>Sherman and seconded by Tony Jeffree as shown below:
>
>Motion:
>Whereas 802.4 and 802.9 are in hibernation and no longer appear to
>have any active standards, per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P I'd like to
>request a 30 day electronic ballot of the EC on a motion to disband
>802.4 and 802.9.
>
>Before I initiate the formal email ballot, I will attempt to get the
>chairs of the hibernating working groups to confirm they agree with
>this action (Paul Eastman, 802.4 and Dhadesugoor Vaman, 802.9.) over
>the next several days. I have copied Paul Eastman on this email. I
>don't have a current email for Vaman, so I've also copied John Boal,
>who I believe is in contact with Vaman and can notify him of our
>plans.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Paul Nikolich
>
>
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