I am also have the same problem as Mike. I will read the documents on flights to Asia next week. Given the comments from Bob and my need for more time, my vote is abstain.
Jerry Upton
In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, tak@CISCO.COM writes:
I am regret to admit that I have not yet found time to
read the changes. I shall do so prior to Portland and will
have comments no later then portland.
In the mean time my vote is abstain.
mike
Stevenson, Carl R (Carl) wrote:
> Based on Bill and Bob's disapproves (and Bob's comments), I vote
> DISAPROVE.
>
> (Maybe we can sort it out in the rules meeting in Portland ...)
>
> Carl
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:quackenbush@ieee.org]
>>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 3:00 PM
>>To: Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)
>>Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ EC P&P Revision Ballot +++
>>compliance with SA Model P&P
>>
>>
>>Carl,
>>
>>It will be at least a couple of days before my reading,
>>comparing the old and new versions and comment generation is complete.
>>
>>wlq
>>
>>"Stevenson, Carl R (Carl)" wrote:
>>
>>>I was waiting to see Bill's comments ...
>>>
>>>Carl
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf
>>>
>>Of Sherman,
>>
>>>>Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>>>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:25 PM
>>>>To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ EC P&P Revision Ballot +++
>>>
>>compliance with
>>
>>>>SA Model P&P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>>FYI, tomorrow is the last day to vote, and so far Bill's
>>>
>>is the only
>>
>>>>vote I have received.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Mat
>>>>
>>>>Matthew Sherman, PhD
>>>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>>>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Bill
>>>>Quackenbush
>>>>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 2:24 PM
>>>>To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
>>>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ EC P&P Revision Ballot +++
>>>
>>compliance with
>>
>>>>SA Model P&P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Matt,
>>>>
>>>>I vote DISAPPROVE with comments to follow.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>wlq
>>>>
>>>>"Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dear EC members,
>>>>>This email initiates a EC P&P Revision Ballot. The ballot
>>>>
>>>>opens today
>>>>
>>>>>- May 15, 2004 and closes June 15, 2004 at 11:59 PM Eastern
>>>>
>>>>Daylight Time. (Remember if you do not vote or abstain on this
>>>>ballot it is equivalent to a DISAPPROVE vote). Buzz,
>>>
>>please ensure
>>
>>>>this gets sent to the "802ALL" email list as well. WG
>>>
>>chairs, if you
>>
>>>>haven't already done so, please invite your WG members to comment
>>>>through you. Attached you will find a zip file containing:
>>>>
>>>>> 1) A P&P Revision cover letter
>>>>>
>>>>
>>(802.0-Compliance_with_SA_Model_P&P-Balloted_P&P_Revision_ballot.pdf
>>
>>>>)
>>>>
>>>>> 2) Text for the P&P revision
>>>>> (SA_Model_compliant_LMSC_P&P_040514.doc)
>>>>> 3) A mapping of text from the "old" P&P to the "new" P&P
>>>>>
>>>>>(LMSC_P&P-March_2004_R0_reformat-map_040514.doc)
>>>>>The scope of this P&P revision is to bring the LMSC P&P
>>>>
>>>>into "editorial" conformance with the SA Model Sponsor
>>>
>>P&P. That is
>>
>>>>to match the format of the SA model Sponsor P&P, but not
>>>
>>to add or
>>
>>>>deleted any "governance" content from the current LMSC
>>>
>>P&P. (I use
>>
>>>>the term "Governance" here is sense analogous to the term
>>>>"normative" in standardese.) This letter ballot was
>>>
>>approved at the
>>
>>>>Friday, March 19, 2004 EC meeting. The rationale for the changes
>>>>being balloted are as given in the attached cover letter.
>>>>
>>>>>The actual changes are given in the second document listed
>>>>
>>>>above. The changes are made in Word track changes mode
>>>
>>against the
>>
>>>>SA model Sponsor P&P
>>>>(http://standards.ieee.org/board/aud/sponsmod.rtf). Normally, I
>>>>would provide a pdf of the changes rather than a word
>>>
>>document, but
>>
>>>>I have placed embedded comments in the file, and don't
>>>
>>know how to
>>
>>>>maintain them in pdf format. While this is a set of "editorial
>>>>changes" to bring our P&P into the same overall format as the SA
>>>>model P&P, the changes are very extensive, and a number of issues
>>>>for future P&P are noted. Please review the changes closely. I
>>>>expect I will have additional recommendations for
>>>
>>editorial changes
>>
>>>>prior to the close of this ballot. Note that all
>>>
>>embedded comments
>>
>>>>will be removed from the document once approved, prior to
>>>>formal release. The comments are there to highlight issues
>>>>that have arisen during the reformatting process that will
>>>>have to be addressed in a future ballot as I believe them
>>>
>>to require
>>
>>>>>governance changes.
>>>>>Note that a reformat map is provided in the third document
>>>>
>>>>listed above. It is a heavily commented version of the
>>>
>>current P&P
>>
>>>>that indicates where in the "New P&P" each section of
>>>
>>text from the
>>
>>>>"old P&P" gets mapped. It will help the reader to confirm that I
>>>>have neither added nor deleted anything other than
>>>
>>editorial content
>>
>>>>in reformatting the P&P.
>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Mat
>>>>>PS - Note that because of corporate firewall issues, I have
>>>>
>>>>renamed the zip file extension to "renamed_zip". Prior to
>>>>attempting to open the zip file you should change the
>>>
>>file extension
>>
>>>>back to "zip". If anyone has problems opening the file please
>>>>contact me and I will provide the contents in uncompressed form.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>Matthew Sherman, PhD
>>>>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>>>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>>>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>>>>email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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