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Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule change for in person attendance requirement.



My understanding is the proposed change is not retroactive.   Thus any credit gained up to and including May 2024 remains valid credit.    A retroactive change is definitely not OK.  
In the scenario if the proposed changes are adopted, a person with a January interim (virtual or physical) and this session (virtual or physical)  can become a voter at the start of the July plenary (first plenary attended).  Attending July can be eiher virtually or physically.  With no in person attendance after adoption and effective date of the rule (e.g. if made effective immediatly following the EC meeting Friday), they would lose  voting status after the March 2025 (having at that point only 1 out of the last 4 counting) and I think​ cross the "no return" (become a doomed voter) after November 2024.  I think​ this is consistent with what James explained in the rules meeting. 

This potential confusion is another downside to the proposed change, however IMO after 5 plenaries following adoption that confusion will have dissipated.  To be fair, I think we added as much or more confusion when we adopted virtual attendance and we've worked through it.  
FWIW
Ben
 

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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule change for in person attendance requirement.
 

Ben does acknowledge one hole in the proposal (that I don’t think I’ve seen covered). Do we have a rule in place about grandfathering? It will be a limited case, but I suspect there will be some who are in process of gaining voting rights. That means that this Plenary (or the Jan Interim) was their first meeting that counts toward voting rights. They need another Plenary to gain voting rights. Would this second one be required to be in person? I would advocate that we grant voting rights based on the CURRENT rules while also starting the clock on required in person attendance to maintain these rights. This would mean that if they attend the July Plenary virtually, they will gain voting rights. But if they do not attend at least two in person by July ’25, they would lose those rights.

 

Regards,

 

Chad Jones

Principal Engineer, Cisco Systems

Executive Secretary, IEEE 802.3 Working Group

Chair, IEEE P802.3da Task Force

Principal, NFPA 70 CMP3

 

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Date: Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 8:55
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Proposed rule change for in person attendance requirement.

Ben  - I believe your understanding is the same as mine regarding the in-person part, and I believe the May meeting counts to substitute for the July plenary– so even in the worst-case, assuming we apply the new rule after this meeting, the individual would have credit for this meeting (virtual), which would be treated as credited, under the ‘grandfathering’ and would have an in-person credited attendance for May.  So virtual attendance in July would allow claiming the voting rights.

 

George Zimmerman, Ph.D.

President & Principal

CME Consulting, Inc.

Experts in Advanced PHYsical Communications

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Subject: [802SEC] Proposed rule change for in person attendance requirement.

 

A question arose this morning regarding the proposed change.  I think I know the answer but would appreciate verification/denial. 

Someone attends this week virtually. Still counts because the current rules say it's credited attendance.

They attend the May wireless interim (or any other credited interim) in person.  Thus they are eligible to become a WG voter at the start of the July plenary.  Do they need to attend July in person?

From my reading  we have not added "in person" requirement for July in this scenario.

 

Additional comment: in the summary slides someone put something suggesting attending 1.5 meetings per year in person was what is required.  While I thought that was clear Sunday, quite a few people became confused, thinking this was saying attending 50% of a meeting had value.  We should take that off the slide.  THe part that says 2 one year and 1 the next is sufficient and not wrong. 

 

FWIW

Ben

 

Benjamin A. Rolfe

Blind Creek Associates

Ben@blindcreek.com

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