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Re: [802SEC] +++ Yet another new EC ballot +++ Approval of submission for RSPG’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”

Thank you very much, George, for your vote and your discussion with Clint and Dorothy on the sentence.

Latest status:

Voter Role Name NV APP DIS ABS DNV
CH Paul Nikolich         DNV
VC James PK Gilb         DNV
VC Roger Marks     DIS    
TR George Zimmerman   APP      
RS John D'Ambrosia       DNV
ES Jon W Rosdahl   APP      
01 Glenn Parsons   APP      
03 David Law         DNV
11 Dorothy Stanley   APP      
15 Clint Powell   APP      
16 Roger Marks NV        
18 Edward Au   APP      
19 Steve Shellhammer/Tuncer Baykas   APP      
21 Subir Das NV        
22 Apurva Mody NV        
24 Tim Godfrey         DNV
ME Geoffrey Thompson NV        
ME Clint Chaplin NV        
Totals 18 5 7 1 0 5

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:29 AM George Zimmerman <george@cmephyconsulting.com> wrote:

Oh, and I vote APPROVE.

-george

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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 8:18 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Yet another new EC ballot +++ Approval of submission for RSPG’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”

 

Thank you, Dorothy!  I know about shaping coverage to areas, but often we refer to unshaped omni (or at least 2-d omni) coverage area.  If it’s accurate, I’m good.

 

From: Stanley, Dorothy <dorothy.stanley@hpe.com>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2023 7:26 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; George Zimmerman <george@cmephyconsulting.com>
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Yet another new EC ballot +++ Approval of submission for RSPG’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”

 

Hello George,

 

The statement of area in this case is accurate. The essential point is that an area of over 70, 000 square meters is being

covered (we might just state this directly). Note that wireless coverage might be circular for a specific access point (depending on the antenna type) but need not be.

Additionally, placement of APs can provide coverage in a larger area of nearly any shape.

 

Thanks for the comment,

Dorothy

 

 

------------------------

Dorothy Stanley

Hewlett Packard Enterprise

dorothy.stanley@hpe.com

+1 630-363-1389

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:24 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Yet another new EC ballot +++ Approval of submission for RSPG’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”

 

I’m fine with the suggested ‘soccer’ change, but perhaps we should actually be engineers here, and recognize we are talking about AREA in the text.  I ask my wireless friends – is what is being said accurate?  Is it the AREA of 10 soccer fields – given they’re not symmetrical, and wireless covereage is usually a circle.. Have we dumbed it down to the point where we lose meaning?

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 9:32 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Yet another new EC ballot +++ Approval of submission for RSPG’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”

 

I suggest we replace "10 football fields" with "914.4 meters, or 1000 times the distance from the nose of  King Henry I of England to the thumb of his out-stretched arm." 

 

Or we could go with "more than 900 meters".

 

FWIW

Ben

 

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 7:59 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ Yet another new EC ballot +++ Approval of submission for RSPG’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”

 

Clint,

Thanks again for your comment.  The co-author told me that the term "football" means "soccer".  

Understanding that there are different interpretations on the term "football", we can consider replacing "some of these systems are serving an area the size of larger than 10 football fields" with "some of these systems are serving an area of larger than 10 soccer fields".    Please let me know if you have any specific concern on this proposed wording before I upload another revision to the mentor.

Regards,
Edward

 

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 2:52 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@gmail.com> wrote:

Clint,

 

Thanks for your review and comment.  I am in contact with the co-authors and will let you know their replies after the discussion.

 

Regards,
Edward

 

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 5:09 PM Clint Chaplin <clint.chaplin@gmail.com> wrote:

Edward,

 

"serving an area the size of larger than 10 football fields" seems clumsy in wording.  In addition, this is a response to an European agency, so are we talking about American football fields, or European football pitches?  Seems that the example should be pitched to the audience.

 

On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 7:22 AM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

With this email I would like to announce the start of a LMSC ballot on a comment submission to European Commission Radio Spectrum Public Group (RSPG)’s consultation on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”.

Paul has delegated to me to conduct a LMSC (EC) 10-day electronic ballot on the motion below to approve the comments to the administration.  This EC motion is per IEEE 802 OM 7.2.1 Procedure, P&P 7.1 b) (majority response) and P&P 7.1.2 (2/3 approval of votes cast) for communication with government bodies and public statements.  With that we would like to see everyone respond.

Move to approve document https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/23/18-23-0085-04-0000-proposed-response-to-european-commission-rspg-on-development-of-6g.pdf for submission to the European Commission RSPG’s consultation before the contribution deadline, with editorial license granted to the 802.18 chair.

  • Approved in the RR-TAG: _15_ / _0_ / _0_ (The Chair did not vote)


Mover:     Edward Au

Seconder:  Dorothy Stanley


Start of ballot: 15 August 2023
Close of ballot: 24 August 2023

Reference document:  https://radio-spectrum-policy-group.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-06/RSPG23-026final-draft_RSPG_Opinion_on_6G_development_with_Annexes.pdf

Regards,
Edward

 

On Fri, Aug 11, 2023 at 12:28 PM Edward Au <edward.ks.au@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear EC members,

I would like to request the review of the following draft IEEE 802 submission by Monday 14 August 2023 A.O.E, before proceeding to either a 10-day letter ballot tentatively on Tuesday 15 August 2023.

Background:

On 16 June 2023, European Commission Radio Spectrum Policy Group (RSPG) began a consultation asking for public opinion on DRAFT Opinion on “The development of 6G and possible implications for spectrum needs and guidance on the rollout of future wireless broadband networks”.  For this DRAFT Opinion, there are a few  misconceptions on the implementation and applications of IEEE 802.11 based standards.  A few individuals prepared a response asking the administration to address these misconceptions.  The proposed response was discussed in the most recent IEEE 802.18 teleconference and approved by a motion with 15 Yes, 0 No, and 0 Abstain.

Link to the draft:
https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/23/18-23-0085-04-0000-proposed-response-to-european-commission-rspg-on-development-of-6g.pdf

Reference:
https://radio-spectrum-policy-group.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2023-06/RSPG23-026final-draft_RSPG_Opinion_on_6G_development_with_Annexes.pdf

Thanks and Regards,
Edward

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Clint Chaplin
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Samsung Research America

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