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Since it’s an update of a prior policy, change marks would be helpful.

Cheers,

Roger

On Feb 27, 2023, 8:03 PM -0700, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org>, wrote:

George-

My point was that (in my opinion) what was distributed is unreadable by a normal engineer.

It starts off with what I (and I suspect many of my colleagues) are not familiar with the term BIS.

We don't expect (by rule) the members of NESCOM and the SASB to be able to cope with 3 letter acronyms.

There is no easily parsible intro to the presentation as to whether it is regulating entities (which is what it seems)

or is trying to regulate individuals behavior and whether or not that would be only in standards meeting or outside that context.

If it is outside the context then the IEEE is choosing an inappropriate communications path. It is not their job to get in between an entity and their employee.

As for what you are supposed to do as a one man entity, I don't see any other possible action than to give it to your lawyer and expect a bill before he tells you to not worry about it or do something else.

I could go on but I don't think it's a good use of my time.

But then my original point was that it didn't seem to be a good use of my time.

Geoff

On Monday, February 27, 2023, 06:07:48 PM PST, George Zimmerman <george@cmephyconsulting.com> wrote:

Geoff – if you read the statement, you will see that it provides guidance of IEEE’s position on certain issues involving export restrictions, exemptions, and issues of technology transfer, which you may be subject to under US law. You aren’t a BIS entity, but as a US citizen in the technology industry, you may be subject to laws regarding technology transfer to “listed persons”. Note that the statements don’t just involve entities, but also individuals who are employees…

I won’t interpret them, it’s a complicated subject and that’s why it’s a complicated thing to read that you need to read yourself.

Thank you John for forwarding these.

-george

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 5:04 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Update - Participation in IEEE Activities by Participants on the BIS Entity List

John-

Some big problems with this message which I will not stoop to even call a communication.

1. I do not recall ever having been accused (?) of being a BIS Entity so I don't know what this has to do with me.

2. There is nothing in he way of information at the front of the message to help me decode what this has to do with me.

3. This is the big thing: NO 802 PARTICIPANT IS AN ENTITY. We all participate as individuals.

Therefore (from what I can see) this doesn't apply to us.

I suggest that either you or Paul return this to Yvette and tell her

(a) it doesn't apply to us

(b) it is enormously confusing and time wasting to send such material to us.

Geoff Thompson

On Monday, February 27, 2023, 11:59:52 AM PST, John D'Ambrosia <jdambrosia@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

I was recently informed by Yvette Ho Sang that the following documents related to Participation in IEEE Activities by Participants on the BIS Entity List had been updated –

FAQs:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RROuoU_zeL7H9fGsWTlHq7mZjoHUADvP

IEEE Statement:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RROuoU_zeL7H9fGsWTlHq7mZjoHUADvP

IEEE SA Statement:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RROuoU_zeL7H9fGsWTlHq7mZjoHUADvP

The documents were Issued: 9 January 2023 and supersedes original and interim statements issued since 29 August 2019.

Regards,

John D’Ambrosia

Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC

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[802SEC] Participation in IEEE Activities by Participants on the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (“BIS���) Entity List

[802SEC] Participation in IEEE Activities by Participants on the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (“BIS��) Entity List