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I'm in agreement with George, we need to keep the door cracked open.
Best Regards,
Clint Powell
IEEE 802.15 WG Chair & 802 LMSC Executive Committee
Meta Platforms - Wireless Standards Consultant
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<STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> On Behalf Of George Zimmerman
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:21 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Penalties for non-payment of registration fees
David -
I am torn. As Treasurer, I think it is important that our rules be clear.
I believe the clear intent is that voting rights and functional attendance
at 802 meetings be restricted for those who do not comply with registration
requirements. As treasurer, I when I follow up and produce the lists of
'deadbeats', I would find that clarity useful.
As an 802.3 task force chair, I believe needing to check the list of
attendees on a call for those on the 'deadbeat list' would be yet another
administrative step which doesn't directly relate to the meeting's work, and
I suspect many would simply ignore any requirement to do so. We have enough
administrative steps that I have seen chairs shortcut them, and attendees
ignore them. I also believe that we should encourage contributions with an
open door - and I would not like to see the door to technical ideas shut
completely.
From a practical perspective, as treasurer, I am not seeing a large number
of deadbeats, so I don't think this is a big problem. AND, the vast
majority of those I see who remain on the list have either just said 'I'm
not paying' - and don't come back.
I suspect this Is not a problem. I would ask if anyone knows of an active
contributor who is ON the deadbeat list, and, I'd further ask, whether
keeping the door to participation 'open a crack' but without voting rights
or other benefits may encourge people to make good on their debt. If we
find people gaming the system, then we may need to take action, but barring
that, I would think that practically we don't need to pursue extra rules
right now.
So, does anyone know of individuals gaming the system by attending meetings
without registration requirements while being on the deadbeat list?
-george
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<STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> On Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 10:22 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Penalties for non-payment of registration fees
David,
I believe this issue needs to be addressed and a stronger deterrent is
necessary.
John
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<STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> On Behalf Of Law, David
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 1:11 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Penalties for non-payment of registration fees
Dear IEEE 802 EC members,
I have a very long-standing action item (my bad) to chair an ad hoc to
consider extending the penalties for non-payment of registration fees with
regards to attendance at meetings. Currently, subclause 5.5 'Registration
policy' of IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manual says 'In order for an individual
to become registered for a given IEEE 802 LMSC Plenary Session or Interim
Session of an IEEE 802 LMSC subgroup, the individual shall a) Have complied
with the registration requirements for all previously attended IEEE 802 LMSC
Plenary Sessions and Interim Sessions of IEEE 802 LMSC subgroups, including
payment of any required registration fees ...'. As a result, non-payment of
registration fees has no impact on an individual's ability to attend the
numerous teleconference meetings that are now being held.
I'd therefore first like to understand if there is any appetite within the
IEEE 802 EC for the proposal to change the rules to expand the penalties to
prohibit attendance at all meetings, including meetings that do not require
registration. If there is an appetite to do this, I'll set up the ad hoc to
consider the details of extending the penalties, if there isn't, I don't
think there is much point setting up the ad hoc.
Please could you, therefore, let me know your thoughts on this proposal.
Thanks and best regards,
David
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