Hi John,
I was not suggesting we require proof of vaccination or proof of previous infection.
Regards,
Steve
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Please reply to my comment – do we need to require proof that someone had the infection? And if so, you are ok with the possibility that it was a false positive?
This isn’t a science question – it is a process question.
John
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Andrew,
There have been studies showing that natural infection is much stronger than the vaccines. Also the vaccines also last only about 6 months, hence the booster shots.
I am not going to get into a long email debate on this, which I do not think would be a good use of my time. I am sure we will disagree.
I cannot support these non-scientific rules. I will leave it at that.
Over and Out,
Steve
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G’day Steve,
I agree that that we should follow the science …
- A study reported in
The Lancet Microbe reports, “Reinfection can reasonably happen in three months or less. Therefore, those who have been naturally infected should get vaccinated. Previous infection alone can offer very little long-term protection against subsequent
infections.” (see
summary)
… which suggests strong protection following natural infection is short-lived
Andrew
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Can’t support a non-scientific plan like this. Suggesting that a person previously infected must get vaccinated is non-scientific. I will stop there.
Regards,
Steve
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Thanks Andrew,
I agree it is a good plan that we could mimic.
Jon
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 5:07 PM Andrew Myles (amyles) <00000b706269bb8b-dmarc-request@ieee.org> wrote:
G’day all
A Cisco colleague recently attended his first F2F conference for some time (it was actually a hybrid meeting, but the on-line component was mainly broadcast rather than interactive). It was sponsored by the Linux Foundation.
The experience was apparently not perfect, with my colleague reporting that some sessions were too full for his comfort, but generally pretty good. The most important aspect was that the Linux Foundation took COVID safety very seriously, including imposing:
- A mask mandate
- A vaccine requirement (with no exceptions for previous infection, etc)
- Daily temperature checks
- A social distancing code, with wristbands
See https://events.linuxfoundation.org/kubecon-cloudnativecon-north-america/attend/health-and-safety/#in-person-attendance-requirements for details
This is the sort of thing that is going to be required for F2F activities to be provided in safety and comfort, at least in the near future. The Linux Foundation has done an excellent job at showing what is possible. This might be a good example for IEEE 802 to follow …
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