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Re: [802SEC] Draft Agenda Uploaded - Nov 2020 802 EC Closing

Bob-

My issue is taken care of by the following text that you quoted:

"When a standard is revised, its approved amendments and corrigenda shall be removed from active status as separate documents.”

without regard to whatever is in a register somewhere about the alleged lifetime of such amendments and corrigenda.

Geoff

On Dec 11, 2020, at 5:21 PMPST, ROBERT GROW <bobgrow@COX.NET> wrote:

Geoff,

Since I was muddling through rules on another topic, I hazard to provide information you requested from Jodi.

I remember being taught that amendments and corrigenda become "part of the base standard" when approved.  I can’t find that language in the governing documents but lots of things that reinforce that summary as valid.  Though not stated as clearly, the linkage is clear.  Below you will find clear rules for revision and expiration as you have in your Oct 22nd email, plus others that reinforce the base revision and all its amendments and corrigenda are treated as a group.

SASB Ops Manual 9.1, Revision:

"The Standards Committee should initiate revision of a standard whenever any of the material in the standard (including all amendments, corrigenda, etc.) becomes obsolete or incorrect..." 

"A revision shall encompass the cumulative scope of the project (including all approved amendments and corrigenda)."

"When a standard is revised, its approved amendments and corrigenda shall be removed from active status as separate documents.”

SASB Ops Manual 9.2, Removal from active status:

"When a standard is transferred to inactive status, its amendments and corrigenda are also transferred to inactive status."

SASB Ops Manual 3.6.5, Applicability of [LOA]:

"An Accepted Letter of Assurance referencing an existing standard, amendment, corrigendum, edition, or revision will remain in force for the application of the Essential Patent Claim(s) to the technology specified in another amendment, corrigendum, edition, or revision of the same IEEE Standard but only if…”

SASB Ops Manual 8.1.2, Amendment and corrigenda (as I recall you drove this into the rules):

 "Standards Association ballots of amendments and corrigenda shall also include access to the approved base standard and any approved amendments and corrigenda in order to provide sufficient information to the Standards Association balloting group."


 
—Bob

On Dec 9, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Geoff Thompson <thompson@IEEE.ORG> wrote:

Jodi-

That seems more appropriate.
What is actually in the P&P with regard to that?

Geoff


On Dec 9, 2020, at 8:57 AMPST, Jodi Haasz <j.haasz@ieee.org> wrote:

Hi Geoff,

Following up on your email, the database has been updated so that the corrigenda and amendments expire the same year as the base standards.

Best regards,
Jodi

Jodi Haasz
Manager, Operational Program Management
Office: +1 732-562-6367
Mobile: +1 732-439-9144 | standards.ieee.org

       
  



On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:31 PM Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:
Jodi-

I just looked at the active standards report.
I noticed that the listed corrigenda on the active list have expiration dates that are at least two years beyond that of the standard they are correcting.
That doesn't make sense to me.
Shouldn't it be tied to the standard it is correcting?

Logically, one would think it would have the same expiration date as the standard it is correcting.
Additionally, any PAR that revises the underlying standard should "revise" (i.e. incorporate) the corrigenda into the base standard.
Thus the revised standard should and would supersede the original standard AND all of its corrigenda with a single project.
N'est-ce pas?

Geoff

On Oct 22, 2020, at 4:44 PMPDT, Jodi Haasz <j.haasz@IEEE.ORG> wrote:

Hi John,

All of the IEEE SA reports for the 30 October 802 EC Opening Plenary have been uploaded to mentor as follows:


Best regards,
Jodi

Jodi Haasz
Manager, Operational Program Management
Office: +1 732-562-6367
Mobile: +1 732-439-9144 | standards.ieee.org

       
  



On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 11:36 AM John D'Ambrosia <jdambrosia@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

The draft agenda for the Nov 2020 EC Closing Plenary has been uploaded -

https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/20/ec-20-0191-00-00EC-nov-2020-closing-meeting-agenda.xlsx

 

Please review and provide me with any requests for additions or modifications.

 

Regards,

 

John D’Ambrosia

Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC

 

Distinguished Engineer, Futurewei

 

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