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G’day John I believe my times are correct for November. It is a daylight savings thing. In November:
The reality is that there is no good time for everyone. We need to share the pain, no only among current attendees but also future attendees. For example, using Bangkok time will enable folk from
India to join the plenary, possibly for the first time. That can only be a good thing. Are we international or not? We get to prove it (or not) in November. Andrew From: jdambrosia@gmail.com <jdambrosia@gmail.com>
Andrew Thanks for the work. I just checked online – and right now there is a 12 hour time difference between ET and Beijing, and a 13 hour time difference with Tokyo and a 14 hour time difference with Syndney Corrections noted below. Suspect daylight savings? John From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
On Behalf Of Andrew Myles (amyles) G’day Glenn I should note that 9am – noon ET corresponds to:
A more Asian focused alternative is 3pm-6pm ET
Or another even more Asian focused alternative is 4pm-7pm ET
I am sure the majority wanted a time zone convenient to them. However, if we ae truly international then we will cater to the minority too. The last option above is reasonable for all and is Asian focused Andrew BTW I consider any time between 12am and 5am as unreasonable From: Glenn Parsons <glenn.parsons@ericsson.com>
Andrew, I suggested this before in 802.1. The meeting time should be the same time of where the in-person session was supposed to be. This was for the May interim which would have been PT. However, in the 802.1 WG everyone who voiced an opinion spoke against my proposal. The counter was that the sweet spot (9am – noon ET) was the best time slot for all material time zones (which in 802.1 is: Europe, North
America and Japan/China). So I dropped it. Cheers, Glenn. PS. A full view on the time zones is: From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
On Behalf Of Andrew Myles (amyles) G’day all Another interesting question is timing. The IEEE 802 EC decided to hold IEEE 802 in a different locations around the world in recognition that IEEE 802 is international. The next plenary in Nov 2020 was scheduled for Bangkok.
There is a good case that EC and WG sessions in Nov 2020 should be scheduled for Bangkok time, which will be very painful for US participants but very convenient for Asian & European based participants. What is the counter case? Andrew FYI The EC meeting this week is
In November it would be
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On Behalf Of Steve Shellhammer One question I have is if we hold an Electronic Plenary in November, would we make it one week or two weeks. A number of WGs fit their meetings within one week. Do we want to do that for everyone? I do like having the WG opening on Friday before the week begins. That enables the WGs to start on Monday AM, which some chose to do for timing reasons. So Friday EC opening with a closing on Friday the following week
seems okay to me. I do like having the EC meetings like we did this time, when it is not 5 AM PDT. I agree, no need to decide before Aug 4. Regards, Steve From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
On Behalf Of Benjamin A. Rolfe CAUTION: This email
originated from outside of the organization. I concur with James' suggestion that July 23rd is too soon to decide on the schedule for November. While we have learned a great deal, to analyze the data before the experiment is completed compromises
the results. 802.3, 802.18 and 802.19 have yet to complete the scheduled meetings. The plenary will not be completed until Friday when the EC meeting ends. Putting the conclusion before the data analysis is not sound engineering. For those who may want to evaluate the July experiment based on the actual experience, the extra 11 days time is valuable.
FWIW Benjamin Rolfe (BCA) On 7/19/2020 5:31 PM, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
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