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James, I do not think Webex/Zoom would work too well for on-line motions. I think we want a system that validates (by email or login/password) seems fine. I also think the tool should automate the counting, for real-time results If you wanted to use the honor system we could consider Webex/Zoom and write some code to processes the downloaded file from those systems. I do not know the format, since I have not run
those straw polls, but I did participate in lots of polls. J Regards, Steve -----Original Message----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- All With a poll sent to specific email addresses, we can reasonably assume that the correct person responds. How would we verify that with Webex/Zoom? Of course, we could just trust people. James Gilb On 5/5/20 11:53 AM, Steve Shellhammer wrote: > John, > > Thanks for input on tools. I also assume we could write code to process the downloaded voting results from WebEx/Zoom to count the vote, but I guess it is possible for someone to login
as someone else, so validating who is voting is difficult. Knowing people answer their own email seems reasonably secure for our purposes. > > Thanks, > Steve > > From:
jdambrosia@gmail.com <jdambrosia@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:50 AM > To: Steve Shellhammer <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com>;
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STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: RE: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. > Steve > Not addressing the requirement – just telling you the tools. > > I have spent a bunch of time with this – and I think the big difference is that once prepped – doodle can provide real time voting – while the webex / zoom tools require someone to go and compare those
individuals who voted against a list of voters. > > John > > From: Steve Shellhammer > <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com<mailto:sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:45 PM > To:
jdambrosia@gmail.com<mailto:jdambrosia@gmail.com>;
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STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > John, > > Thanks. > > My first preference is we not mandate to the WG that they must vote on conference calls. Then we can use the ePoll system and allow at least several days for people to vote. It we vote
on calls then some people may find it very difficult to participate. > > If we do mandate that the vote must occur on the call I would prefer the IEEE provide a tool to do it such that it counts WG voting members. Basically a real-time ePoll could work. > > There are lots of way to approximate this using Doodle/WebEx/Zoom/Other, but they all require offline processing, which seem in contradiction to performing the vote in real-time on the
call. > > Regards, > Steve > > From:
jdambrosia@gmail.com<mailto:jdambrosia@gmail.com>
> <jdambrosia@gmail.com<mailto:jdambrosia@gmail.com>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:38 AM > To: Steve Shellhammer > <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com<mailto:sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com>>;
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STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. > Steve > As I noted on the call – with preparation – using doodle poll a list of emails (i.e. those WG voters present) can be entered into the Doodle system which then generates individual emails to be sent out
to those individuals to allow you to do near real time. I did check with IEEE and was told the system appears to meet the privacy rules. > > John > > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > > On Behalf Of Steve Shellhammer > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 1:04 PM > To: >
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > Paul, et. al., > > Thanks. I was going to send an email out before the call, but someone called me and took up that time. > > I think if we are going to mandate virtual meetings and holding motions I think we need a tool to do real-time voting of voting members on calls. > > > * Webex/Zoom both provide tools for doing straw polls of everyone on the call > * ePoll allow for offline voting of voting members, but no real-time > > However, none of these provide the ability to do real-time voting of voting members. I believe we would need such a tool to hold those virtual meetings. > > Regards, > Steve > > From: Paul Nikolich > <paul.nikolich@att.net<mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 6:53 AM > To: Steve Shellhammer > <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com<mailto:sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com>>;
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STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: Re[2]: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee
> election process > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. > Steve, > > We'll address that question today during the EC call. > > Regards, > > --Paul > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Steve Shellhammer"
> <sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com<mailto:sshellha@qti.qualcomm.com>> > To: "Paul Nikolich" > <paul.nikolich@att.net<mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net>>;
> "STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > " > <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> > > > Sent: 5/4/2020 4:34:00 PM > Subject: RE: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > Paul, > > For WG that do not plan to meet that week, I assume a 10-day electronic ballot will work. Correct? > > Regards, > Steve > > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > > On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich > Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:01 PM > To: >
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> > Subject: [802SEC] July 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. > Dear EC Members, > > Following Roger's recommendation
http://ieee802.org/secmail/msg24597.html, I support conducting the July 2020 Plenary Session by electronic means given the exceptional case we
cancelled the July 2020 plenary venue. > > Assuming we adopt Roger's proposal (or something similar), it is my intention to follow the 802 Executive Committee election process I outlined for the cancelled March 2020 Plenary Session (see below
-- except replace "March" with "July") at the July 2020 Plenary Session electronic meetings. I expect the WG/TAG officer election process to be conducted during the WG/TAG electronic meetings held at the July 2020 Plenary Session. > > I reserved 20 minutes for discussion of this as agenda item 4.04 at tomorrow's 05 May 2020 IEEE 802 EC web conference. Speak to you tomorrow. > > Regards, > > --Paul > > ------ Forwarded Message ------ > From: "Paul Nikolich" > <paul.nikolich@att.net<mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net>> > To: > "STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> > " > <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org> > > > Sent: 1/30/2020 4:57:32 PM > Subject: Notice of March 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election
> process > > Dear EC members, > > Details for the March 2020 IEEE 802 Executive Committee election process is available at
https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/20/ec-20-0022-00-00EC-notice-of-march-2020-election-process.pdf. Please circulate this notice to your WG members by 03 February so they have ample time to consider
it before the March session. > > Per the LMSC P&P sections 3.1 and 4.0 all 802 executive committee members are elected or appointed and confirmed at the first Plenary session of each even numbered year. Therefore election/appointments
are scheduled to occur at the upcoming March 2020 Plenary session. > > I will stand for re-election as Chair of 802. If I am re-elected, I plan to fill the 802 Appointed Officer positions as follows: first Vice Chair-James Gilb, second Vice-Chair-Roger Marks, Recording Secretary-John
D’Ambrosia, Executive Secretary-Jon Rosdahl and Treasurer-George Zimmerman. I also plan to appoint the following individuals to fill the non-voting positions of 802 Member Emeritus Treasurer Advisor-Clint Chaplin, 802 Member Emeritus-Advisor-Geoff Thompson
and Hibernating Working Group Chairs: 802.16 Chair-Roger Marks, 802.21 Subir Das, 802.22 Apurva Mody and 802 Ombudsman-Guido Hiertz. All the appointees have agreed to accept the appointments and wish to be confirmed. > > If you, or others in you WGs, wish to be considered for the 802 Chair or the appointed positions, please contact me and the Recording Secretary as soon as possible. > > All potential EC members--please remember to submit your letter of endorsement and disclosure of affiliation to John D’Ambrosia as soon as possible, but not later than the March 2020 opening EC meeting. > > Finally, please carefully review the Disclosure of Affiliation FAQ (standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliation.html) and the IEEE Standards Board Bylaws, 5.2.1.5 Disclosure of Affiliation* (standards.ieee.org/about/policies/bylaws/sect5.html)
to ensure all candidates for 802 leadership positions fully understand this requirement and are in compliance with the policy. > > Regards, > > Paul Nikolich > Chair, IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee > > * Please ensure all candidates comply with the IEEE SA 5.2.1.5 Disclosure of affiliation policy: > Every participant in a working group, Standards Association ballot, or other standards development activity shall disclose his or her affiliation(s), which includes employer(s) and any other affiliation(s).
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