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Re: [802SEC] Friday Meeting - EC Agenda

Dear IEEE 802 EC members,

I'm also in agreement with the suggestions below and on other emails. Use the call on Friday to review the motions and build consensus as required, then conduct email balloting afterwards.

Best regards,
  David

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From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Steve Shellhammer
Sent: 17 March 2020 21:48
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Friday Meeting - EC Agenda

All,

                I agree that spending time at the Friday EC call agreeing on the exact wording of each motion is a good idea. That way the email vote will go smoothly.

                I see no reason to attempt motions on the call when this call did not have sufficient notice according to the rules. I am fine with electronic votes.

Regards,
Steve

From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of Roger Marks
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:19 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Friday Meeting - EC Agenda

I would suggest that, on the call, we review the exact form of the email ballots, and the supporting material, so that we can sort out any concerns in advance. As we know, we don’t have a clean process for amending ballots (e.g., we don’t do a format recirc), so things are much smoother when then content is reviewed and agreed beforehand.

Also, while we have become pretty consistent at using the motion templates provided by the Recording Secretary, I think that we are sometimes lax in using those templates for the email ballots. I request that we make full use of the templates in both cases.

Cheers, 

Roger
On Mar 17, 2020, 12:35 PM -0600, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org>, wrote:
I agree with George's tactful explanation.
If we have urgent matters, prepare the email ballot motion (like we did on Monday) and not get caught up in a rules debate.
Jon


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On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:30 PM George Zimmerman <george@cmephyconsulting.com> wrote:
John –
I support your comments, and emphasize that we need to try to avoid arguments that we can avoid.
For some of us (maybe even most – I haven’t checked 😊 ) not being in Atlanta, and possibly not being in our offices, has actually made this week busier than it would have been.
We do have rules issues to deal with, and we are trying to balance that with forward progress.
However, If we can avoid an appeal, we definitely should – these things take time away from solving problems that help us move forward.
 
I suggest that if you intend to make a motion, consider whether we can deal with motions in a way that does not bring up controversy over the rules, and pursue that.
I believe it would be useful to preview any upcoming email ballots (or motions for a future meeting), perhaps as part of normal agenda items.  I would urge those who have such items to do so.
 
-george
 
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> On Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:15 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Friday Meeting - EC Agenda
 
All, 
There have been a number of emails about Friday’s EC meeting and whether motions during the call would be appropriate or not.  In particular, Mr. Gilb noted he will file an appeal for every action that was taken on the call.
 
I also have my concerns about the validity of motions during this call, and furthermore, have yet to see any justification for why an action has to be taken at this meeting.  Everything that is within this group’s ability at this time can be handled via an email ballot.  Furthermore, this group has demonstrated the ability it can move quickly on an email ballot.  I note – that no one has voiced any concerns about addressing actions via an email ballot.   
 
With that in mind – I am informing all individuals who may consider bringing a motion forward for consideration for action at the Friday EC meeting that I will vote “DISAPPROVE” on any such motions brought forward.
 
Please note that this does not mean that I would vote no if the motion were being considered via an email ballot.   
 
Given the on-going challenges facing this group and what we need to address, I believe there are better ways for us to use our time productively.  For example, I would suggest that for Friday’s call it would be useful for the group to allocate time to review any atypical or potentially controversial 
motions that might be addressed via an email ballot.  
 
Regards,
 
John D’Ambrosia
Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC
 
 
 
 
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