The terminology in 802.1D uses the term "interconnection" to
describe what a MAC bridge does and "interworking" to to mean
operation of different implementations of the standard
("interworking" is used in Annex A and G of 802.1D). Not sure it
matters at the level of this presentation tho using terminology
consistently as used in 802 standards seems a good example to set
from the start ;-).
Ben
On 7/4/2018 1:18 PM, Geoff Thompson
wrote:
Roger-
Suggestions for minor further refinement (which
should not upset the presenter)
Slide 7 Current text:
IEEE Std 802.1D and 802.1Q specify interworking
among IEEE 802 networks by bridging at the MAC layer
Proposed text:
IEEE Std 802.1D and 802.1Q specify interworking
among IEEE 802 networks by bridging between MACs just above the
MAC sub-layer
Slide 8 Current text:
Requesting document that, once approved,
authorizes work on a standardization Project
Proposed text:
Requesting document that, once approved,
authorizes
work on a standardization Project by the IEEE-SA
Thanks,
Geoff
Thanks to all for comments
(including Geoff offline). I took the opportunity to do
another hefty upgrade. This version addresses most of
the comments, though not all, because in some cases
there wasn't full agreement. I also added some new
material.
There were some great comments,
and I think that the comment process has resulted in a
much better document, so I appreciate the help.
I don't plan to do further
revisions before the next orientation meeting (next
Monday) because the presenter needs time to review the
slides. Let me know if you have further comments and I
can make an update for the following orientation.
I have posted the final document
on mentor:
John, notice that this link does
not have a revision number. In this way, mentor will
automatically download the most recent version. I am
suggesting this URL format so that you don't need to
edit the web page if the slides are revised.
Cheers,
Roger
On
July 3, 2018 at 2:38:09 PM, Jon Rosdahl (jrosdahl@ieee.org) wrote:
HI Roger,
In general, I am not all that
excited with this new format for the tutorial.
I don't think that the deletions that
John is suggesting is not correct.
I think that it is important to give
an understanding of where we fit in the overall
IEEE organization, and new comers to 802 are new
to IEEE and they should understand how we fit in.
If nothing else we should have a
comparable information slide about the Computer
Society to show how we explicitly fit in and help
encourage membership there as well.
Also the comment #2 from John is that
there are only two examples of Societies (Computer
and Communication) . I see this as an example,
maybe a dotted line is missing, but otherwise I
don't see a problem with this slide.
All in All, the new format is your
decision, I maybe just too comfortable with the
old format and would have just updated it (with
some of the newer slides you have about the
structure).
The Process slides in the attached
deck is more a clearer picture of the process.
IMHO.
I may have more feedback later, but
have run out of time to do more review today.
Jon
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net> wrote:
All,
Adding to John's feedback:
a) I'd like to see the Affiliation and
802 Participation topics to be covered one right
after the other in the meeting.
b) slide 10: change "Document that
authorizes work on a standardization Project"
to "Document that requests authorization to begin a
standardization Project"
c) slide 11: change "Group formed to
investigate a potential project and produce a PAR"
to "Group chartered to investigate the initiation of
a potential project and produce a draft PAR if
appropriate"
d) slide 17: a Study Group is optional,
add [optional] similar to CFI/TIC/IC box
e) slide 17: a Study Group produces
'draft PAR and CSD' (to be consistent with (c) above
f) slide 17: change "Start work in
Working Group" to "Start work on approved Project in
Working Group
g) slide 17: change arrow "Standards
Board Approval" to "Standards Board approves Project
Request"
h) slide 19: change box "Standards Board
Approval" to "Standards Board approves Project's
final draft"
i) slide 20: add initial bullet
clarifying a Standard consists of
Base+amendments+corrigenda (optionally give a
hypothetical example too?)
j) slide 28: add please feel free to ask
anyone on the EC for more information or help (but
mostly Roger...)
Regards,
--Paul
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] IEEE 802
Orientation slides, 2018 update (draft)
Roger –
Here is my feedback
John
- Mentor Doc #
missing
- Page 6 -prior
diagram noted that there were 25 IEEE
societies and councils – now there are only
2?
- Previously 802 was
noted under standardization activities, now
it is only noted under technical
activities. While I understand IEEE-SA may
want to broaden what they are seen as doing
– 802 is about market relevant standards –
this seems lost in this new diagram.
- Slides 7 & 8
should be deleted IMO. This is a newcomer
program for IEEE 802- not IEEE. If IEEE
wants to have its own introduction – let it
do it- and not dilute this orientation.
- Slide #9 deleted
this bullet - Voter’s are individuals, not
entities (e.g. companies). I think this
needs to stay in the orientation- it is a
key point.
- I do not care for
the definition of IC as non-standardization
activity – it is a pre-PAR activity that may
lead to standardization activity. In
addition it is an approach used to help
people get standards activities started.
- Slide #16 – why
the inclusion of bylaws / ops manual here?
The page is noted as 5 basic principles.
There are more inclusive lists of governing
docs to use. Suggest you create new slide
for related gov docs.
- Page 22 – you
imply that membership starts when attending
…. – this implies it is automatic – that is
not the case for 802.3 – I can’t comment on
all the groups – but this intro needs to be
inclusive.
- Page 25 – Comment
regarding photographs or recordings is not
up to date. Please refer to http://standards.ieee.org/develop/policies/opman/sb_om.pdf see
section 5.3.3.2
- I actually believe
the Participation Slide SHOULD be shown,
reviewed, discussed. This is a key slide.
Dear EC,
One of my action items is to
update the IEEE 802 Orientation slides,
used in the Newcomer Orientation on Monday
morning of the Plenary Session. I plan to
introduce the new version at the July
Plenary.
I have drafted a revision, based
on the existing slides. I've updated and
added some content, and I've refreshed the
look. Much of the visual presentation
comes from slides that Glenn and Jodi
prepared for the Fellowship program.
Thanks to them for that.
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