Re: [802SEC] Status of 802.20 standards

[Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org>]

Pat-

In general, I agree with you.

I just cited the 802.2 case for completeness.

My guess is that the 802.20 situation will keep it in 802, dead or alive.

Geoff

  

On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:57 PMPDT, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> wrote:

We went with stabilizing 802.2 in ISO/IEC because it was a special case - it is the basis for protocols that are still in wide use and fundamental to the operation of our current standards even though new protocols aren't using it. We wanted to keep alive the reference for the existing protocols (e.g.: the BPDUs for the spanning tree protocols). We had no plans and expected no future plans to extend its usage or update it. 

Stabilizing 802.2 in ISO/IEC was a good fit for that - existing protocols have the reference that they rely on and we don't need to do any maintenance to keep the reference alive.

I wouldn't be in favor of going that route for anything other than that special case.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:

James-

Another possibility is that the standards work was ahead of the market.
This is certainly possible given what we read in the trade press about the future of road-to-car and car-to-car communication.
At the 50,000 foot level this may well be true, but when standards are developed well in advance of product there are bound to be details in the standard that will need rework.

The big question which will drive further action is whether or not the standard will be useful or need to be changed going forward.
This is our major responsibility to address.

We can let things run until administrative withdrawal.

We can do a revision with a request to the balloting group to make no changes (essentially a reaffirmation) when the time comes.

We can seek approval in ISO/IEC via the PSDO process and then (later when the time comes) let it go to "Stabilized" in ISO/IEC.  In the meantime it will have been withdrawn in IEEE but will still be an active standard with no maintenance requirements.  This is what we did with 802.2.  It is probably not the way to go if we ever want to amend it though.

I hope this helps.

Geoff

> On May 15, 2017, at 3:31 PMPDT, James Gilb <000008e8b69871c2-dmarc-request@ieee.org> wrote:
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> All
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> IEEE 802.20 was last revised in 2008, the last amendments in 2010.
> PICS and minimum performance were published in 2010.
> The 802.20 WG is currently hibernating with Radhakrishna Canchi as the WG Chair.
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> Since that time, there has not been any new work in the area.
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> The question for discussion is what, if anything, should we do regarding 802.20.  Some possible scenarios:
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> 1) More than one vendor is currently building product compliant to the standard and hence, the standard is still market relevant.  In this case, no action should be taken, but we should be aware that the standard will need to be revised in 2020.
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> 2) While products may have been made in the past, there is no current activity building product complaint to some portion of the standard.  If so, then the EC should consider withdrawing the standard and disbanding the WG.
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> 3) Some other scenario I forgot, for which Geoff will remind me. :)
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> Radhakrishna has indicated that he will be providing information to support keeping the standard active from companies building product to the standard.
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> So, please discuss.
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> James Gilb
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> PS: The current 802.20 standards are given below:
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> IEEE 802.20™: MOBILE BROADBAND WIRELESS ACCESS (MBWA)
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> 1) IEEE 802.20b™-2010 PDF format IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Virtual Bridged Local Area Networks Amendment 15: Bridging of IEEE 802.20
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> 2) IEEE 802.20™-2008 PDF format IEEE Standard for Local and metropolitan area networks — Part 20: Air Interface for Mobile Broadband Wireless Access Systems Supporting Vehicular Mobility — Physical and Media Access Control Layer Specification
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> 3) IEEE 802.20a™-2010 PDF format IEEE Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks - Part 20: Air Interface for Mobile Broadband Wireless Access Systems Supporting Vehicular Mobility--Physical and Media Access Control Layer Specification Amendment 1: Management Information Base Enhancements and Corrigenda Items
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> 4) IEEE 802.20.2™-2010 PDF format IEEE Standard for Conformance to IEEE 802.20 Systems — Protocol Implementation Conformance Statement (PICS) Proforma
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> 5) IEEE 802.20.3™-2010 PDF format IEEE Standard for Minimum Performance Characteristics of IEEE 802.20 Terminals and Base Stations/Access Nodes
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