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Re: [802SEC] reminder: IEEE 802 EC Interim Telecon - 1-3pm ET June 6

From an outsider, how about:

IEEE Std 802.16 three year, three amendment rule extension request

—Bob


On May 15, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org> wrote:

Thanks Roger,
  I did look at your slide deck, but did not understand the issue you were trying to make.
I now understand that RevCom limits the number of amendments to 3 unless you have a plan for the the extra ones and it meets the criteria.  The wording of your Agenda Item is still misleading IMHO.
You are not extending the 802.16-2012 PAR or Standard, you are providing a plan to RevCom that allows you to meet the rule for approving more than 3 Amendments to a Revision.

Not sure how to better word the Agenda Item as it is yours to give and name, I may have suggested "802.16 Amendment Plan for RevCom."
Which is what I think you are doing.
FWIW,
Jon



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On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
Jon,

This is explained in my file (updated to <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.16/dcn/17/16-17-0022-02.pptx>).

We don't need to extend a PAR. The request is going to RevCom, not NesCom. The extension is required to bypass the rule limiting standards to three amendments. With the extension, we'll be allowed to complete 802.16s as the fourth amendment soon, with the revision to follow next year.

Cheers,

Roger

On May 15, 2017, 7:44 PM +0200, Jon Rosdahl <jrosdahl@ieee.org>, wrote:
Roger,
 I have added it to the agenda, and the agenda file will be posted shortly.

I would like to ask/comment:
 Your Revision PAR expires 31-Dec-2021
       So your Revision PAR does not need an extension.

Your 16s PAR expires: 31-Dec-2020
        So it does not need an extension.

It would seem perfectly normal for your group to complete the 16s and then roll it into the revision project.

So What extension are you asking the EC to vote on?
Jon



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On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:
Roger-

You have a revision PAR open for your main standard.
Why not just accept a Sponsor Ballot comment to...
"integrate the P802.16s draft at its current level of approval into the P802.15rev draft"
?

Geoff


On May 11, 2017, at 9:18 PMPDT, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:

Pat,

Thanks for the help on this. I hadn't been able to decipher exactly when the two-year extension would begin. This is a better way to proceed.

Thanks also for the eagle-eyed review and resulting off-line comments, and to input from Bob Grow. I've posted a consequential update:

Regards,

Roger

On May 12, 2017, 3:33 AM +0900, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>, wrote:
Should the extension request state the duration of the extension or date for it to cover?

The current text says:
•An extension to allow consideration of P802.16s as the fourth amendment to IEEE Std 802.16-2012

Since the three year window ended at the end of 2015 (IEEE SA practice has been to count in full years, rather than tracking based on when during the year the standard was approved), a two-year extension covers to the end of 2017.

"An extension to the end of 2017 to allow consideration of P802.16s as the fourth amendment to IEEE Std 802.16-12."

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 6:50 AM, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:
Paul,

I'd like to add:

 ME 802.16-2012 extension request to RevCom

This is a request to allow consideration of a fourth amendment to the base standard. The rules permit that, if an extension is granted. The fourth amendment isn't ready to submit yet, but I'd like to get the approval in advance.

I'd like your OK to presubmit the draft request <https://mentor.ieee.org/802.16/dcn/17/16-17-0022-00.pptx>, per Clause 11 of the OM:

Submissions may be forwarded to RevCom without Sponsor Approval or Conditional Approval in order to meet the submittal requirements for the next RevCom meeting, provided that the Sponsor Chair first notifies the Sponsor email reflector that, in the Sponsor Chair’s view based on the complete RevCom package, there is a reasonable expectation that the submittal will be approved by the Sponsor before the RevCom meeting. If it becomes apparent that approval will not be completed, the submittal shall be withdrawn from the RevCom agenda as early as possible.

OK?

Regards,

Roger

On May 11, 2017, 1:54 AM +0900, Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@att.net>, wrote:
Dear EC Members,

This is a reminder we will be holding our usual mid-plenary 802 Executive Committee telecon soon on Tuesday 06 June 2017.  Please submit your agenda items to me, JohnD and JonR.  Remember, you can place items on the consent agenda if you timely circulate the material prior to the meeting*.
 
The tentative list of items I have are as follows:
1) Chair announcements, Nikolich
2) EC Action Item Review, D'Ambrosia
3) July 2017 Plenary Session logistics update, Rosdahl
4) Future Venue Options update, Rosdahl
5) WG/TAG Chair motions (tbd)
               ...additional items to be added here...
y) EC Action Item recap from this meeting, Nikolich/D'Ambrosia
z) Adjourn
 
The coordinates for the call are shown below.  As usual, please join the meeting 10 minutes ahead of time so we can begin promptly at 1pm ET.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul 

*from the IEEE 802 Chairs Guidelines
2.16 Consent agenda
The following should be considered for inclusion on the consent agenda upon request:
1) First renewal of a Study Group (either ECSG or WGSG)
2) Public statements (e.g., press releases, responses to regulatory bodies, liaison statements, etc.) that have been announced to the EC email reflector made available to the EC members 24 hours in advance of the start of the meeting.
3) Presentation of the Tutorial schedule at the opening meeting, only if all presentations have been given to the Recording Secretary according to the guidelines.
4) Other pro-forma information items
5) Meeting minutes from previous meetings if they have been announced to the EC email reflector and distributed 1 week in advance.

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