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Re: [802SEC] Is America a suitable venue for 802 meetings?

Ben-

I agree with you.
To that end, I believe the current state of things is not relevant.
The current Executive Order, the execution thereof and the correlation or lack thereof won't have a lot to do with an appropriate discussion in March.
My assumption is that the situation will change (in ways yet to be determined) and stabilize between now and then.

Therefore, I believe it is too soon to gather the source material to be effective for a discussion in March.

Best regards,

Geoff


On Jan 30, 2017, at 9:35 AMPST, Benjamin Rolfe <ben@blindcreek.com> wrote:

Would someone post a link to the source material (the executive order) being discussed? I feel strongly that venue decisions should be made on facts, not political reactions, and would like to study the facts prior to the discussion and/or contributing an opinion.

Thanks

Ben


On 1/29/2017 7:30 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Colleagues-

I suggest that we add an agenda item to the EC phone call next week.
Subject: Motion to have an EC open discussion session in a Monday tutorial time slot
on the subject of appropriate meeting venues given possible forthcoming restrictions on travel

Geoff

On Jan 29, 2017, at 7:07 PMPST, Roger Marks <r.b.marks@ieee.org> wrote:

I agree and support the suggestion of a tutorial slot. The participants will be interested in an airing of various approaches and the implications.

Regards,

Roger

On Jan 29, 2017, 7:46 PM -0700, Pat Thaler <000006d722d423ba-dmarc-request@ieee.org>, wrote:
I think we do need to discuss this. The suggestion of a March tutorial slot is good (though it doesn't leave time to change May meetings if that was even possible). 

The stay by the judge was only for part of the executive order.. What was blocked was deporting the people who are at airports now (with visas, green cards, etc.)  The stay doesn't require letting them into the country, so they may be in limbo held at the airport until it is worked out.

As far as I've heard, there hasn't been any stay on the part about not issuing visas.



On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:
Adrian-

The situation is, unfortunately, more complicated than that

(BTW, your subject line is incorrect.  The March plenary is in "America" but not in the US.  It is sort of like the difference between Britain and England.)

The President's order has been stayed by a Federal Court ruling (that's good). So it has no effect in the short term.  Long term remains to be seen.

Moving our meetings to outside the US will not solve things under the current order of the President.  That is because US residents with "Green Cards" (i.e. a lawful permanent resident of the USA) apparently cannot re-enter the US under the order.  Thus any member of 802 who is caught up in this mess may not be able to travel to a non-US 802 meeting and then return home.  Thus we may be damned either way.

More good news is that the initial measure was only for 90 days.  The bad news is that we have no idea what the follow-up orders might be.

I agree that the question should be open for discussion.  My question would be the venue for that discussion.  I don't think the EC reflector or the EC phone call is sufficiently open.  It is not appropriate for a regular 802 EC meeting because of the time constraints imposed by our regular business.  My suggestion would be a special session in one of the Monday evening tutorial slots.  That should allow for full (non-conflicted) participation by all interested parties.  That would fully satisfy our very real commitment to openness  Whether any such discussion can come up with a satisfactory solution proposal is a different question.

Sincerely,

Geoff

Geoffrey O. Thompson
IEEE 802 Executive Committee
GraCaSI Standards Advisors
Mountain View, CA 94043-5286

On Jan 29, 2017, at 1:24 AMPST, Adrian Stephens <adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

Now that the USA discriminates about who can enter the country based on their country of birth,
we may have members or potential meeting attendees who cannot attend meetings of IEEE 802
because of that discrimination.

I raise the question for discussion as to whether it is appropriate to hold IEEE 802 meetings
in the USA while this policy is in effect,  given that one of the pillars of the IEEE-SA is
open participation.
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Best Regards,

Adrian Stephens
IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair
mailto: adrian.p.stephens@ieee.org
Phone: +1 (971) 203-2032
Phone: +447342178905
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