Re: [802SEC] Motion on OfCom Consultation, Roger's comments
It's entire focus is on improving 5 GHz wireless networking for consumers. As clearly stated, early in the document, they use the term Wi-Fi to represent any RLAN.
Certainly, wired internet access is an extremely minor consumer consideration. Tablets and Smartphones don't have Ethernet ports, and neither do most consumer laptops today.
Rich Kennedy
Director, Global Spectrum Strategy
Hewlett Packard Enterprise
Board Director, Dynamic Spectrum Alliance
Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory TAG
Chair, Wi-Fi Alliance Spectrum & Regulatory TG
On Jul 15, 2016 4:35 PM, "Benjamin A. Rolfe" <ben@BLINDCREEK.COM> wrote:
P.S. in defense of Roger, this is a consultation on spectrum use, so wireless should the primary focus.
If you're wires/fiber are affecting our spectrum enough that OfCom notices, you're doing something wrong!
On 7/14/2016 8:44 PM, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Hopefully not.
In 802 at least I truly believe that we all need each other.
Geoff
On Jul 14, 2016, at 8:08 PMPDT, John Notor <gnu@notor.com<mailto:gnu@notor.com>> wrote:
Food fight!!!!
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On Jul 14, 2016, at 6:55 PM, Geoff Thompson <<mailto:thompson@ieee.org>thompson@ieee.org<mailto:thompson@ieee.org>> wrote:
Colleagues-
I would also direct your attention to Roger's quote:
"The trend in new Internet connected devices is only wireless connectivity"
I believe that we have a strong vested interest in wired backhaul as an essential element of many networks going forward.
We should not feed the fantasy of a wireless world no matter the extent of the penetration of wireless devices into the consumer space.
Geoff
On Jul 14, 2016, at 4:29 PMPDT, Bob Heile <bheile@ieee.org<mailto:bheile@ieee.org>> wrote:
Roger makes some outstanding points. Any way we can add what he is saying to the document and be clearer on our use of the term?
At 05:13 PM 7/14/2016 -0600, Roger B. Marks wrote:
Rich,
I vote Disapprove.
My concern is that the document presumes in several places that the term “Wi-Fi”, as used in the consultation, means “Wi-Fi®” However, it’s my understanding that it doesn’t. The consultation says:
In this document we use the term Wi-Fi throughout because it is by far the most common WLAN/RLAN application and is widely understood by both industry stakeholders and consumers - but the discussion is also relevant to all other variations of WLAN/RLAN technology (e.g. LTE/LAA etc.).
Since the response uses the term “Wi-Fi” differently than does the consultation, if should explain that usage and contrast it to that of the consultation. Here is some text where it matters:
*Slide 5 asks for “Wi-FI” to “be treated as an de facto incumbent, and should be afforded the protection all of its adherents expect and deserve.” This has two very different meanings depending on whether Wi-Fi is Wi-Fi® or all “variations of WLAN/RLAN technology (e.g. LTE/LAA etc.)”.
*Slide 6 worries about the “entry into the spectrum dominated by Wi-Fi for 20 years, of other technologies”. As far as I know, the technologies of interest are all “variations of WLAN/RLAN technology”, so they are not “other technologies”, according to the consultation.
*Side 10 says “Wi-Fi has become the dominant wireless Internet access technology”. Is this intended to include all “variations of WLAN/RLAN technology”?
There are also a lot of grammatical errors that need to be cleaned up, which I’m sure you will take care of after approval of the motion. I would suggest that you rephrase “The trend in new Internet connected devices is only wireless connectivity,” because I don’t think it’s clear. Surely that’s not the only trend in Internet connected devices.
Regards,
Roger
On 2016Jul 14, at 7:56 AM, Holcomb, Jay <Jay.Holcomb@itron.com<mailto:Jay.Holcomb@itron.com>> wrote:
Dear EC Members,
Paul has delegated to Rich Kennedy to conduct an EC electronic ballot on the following motion. To ensure this motion is decided well before the 22 July 2016 Ofcom filing deadline I'm announcing an 'early close' to this ballot (see below).
802 EC motion per 802 OM 8.2 Procedure for communication with government bodies:
Move to approve the responses to the 13/05/2016 Ofcom consultation (see http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/consultations/5-GHz-Wi-Fi/?a=0) as defined in document https://mentor.ieee.org/802.18/dcn/16/18-16-0036-06-0000-ofcom-5-gfhz-consultation-questions.ppt which contain the 802.18 approved (5/0/0) responses, instructions for uploading to Ofcom webpage and granting the 802.18 chair editorial license.
Mover: Rich Kennedy, Seconder: Adrian Stephens
Start of ballot: July 14, 2016
End of ballot: July 14 + 10 days or sooner per Early Close provisions
Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that, to ensure the release is provided in a timely manner, this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter. Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on the required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring approval by a majority vote' item (h), 'Other motions brought to the floor by members (when deemed in order by the Sponsor Chair)' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and Procedures.
On behave of Rich Kennedy, Chair of IEEE 802.18
Regards,
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