| Ben-
My basic principle is that: Management by surprise is a bad idea. Further, since we operate on the principle of openness...
I think that one of the statutory purposes of the TAG should be: WG reps should report to the TAG what is going on in their WG wrt to radio reg/band usage issues. This should be done on a low overhead basis without bureaucratic crap. This should be an ongoing item. Reports should start when the activity starts.
Thus, the RR TAG should know and know about ALL radio reg related activity that is going on in all of 802, even if such activity is immature and in the early stages.
How such reports are recorded in TAG minutes or reported by the TAG externally is beyond the scope of my proposal.
I hope this helps.
Geoff
Geoff,
I'm trying to understand what you really mean, and need a bit of
help (or punctuation?)
Are you asking the TAG to encourage WGs to contribute and then
asking the TAG to report (to the WGs?) on activities and identified
regulatory issues?
Or that the TAG encourage WGs to discuss reports (from the TAG?)
on activities and identified regulatory issues, with the outcome
of discussion being contributions to the TAG?
I've read it several times and have two guesses (neither of which
may be correct):
i.e.
(guess 1)
The TAG shall:
- encourage working groups to promptly
a. review in open meetings reports issued by the TAG
b. provide comments to the TAG following discussion in the WG
c. provide contributions to the TAG that identify regulatory activities
or other regulatory matters critical to the WG membership
d. provide contributions to the TAG which represent consensus
positions of the WG
(guess 2)
The TAG shall:
-Encourage Working Gropus to promptly contribute to the TAG
- Report to the Working Groups on TAG activities
- Report to the Working Groups on regulatory issues identified by
the WGs as of specific interest to the WG
or (guess 3 - please provide)
I would suggest in stating objectives, responsibilities, and
accountability mechanisms we avoid compound sentences (like this
one ;-).
That's just one (dyslexic's) opinion. Maybe I am more easily
confused than the rest of you and the TAG membership.
-Ben
On 2/3/2016 9:53 AM, Geoff Thompson
wrote:
Roger-
I can live with your wording, though what I had in
mind would be more accurately reflected by the following
rewording of bullet 2.
• encourage Working Groups to promptly
contribute and discuss reports on activities and identified
regulatory issues
• provide an informal forum which
encouraged Working Groups to promptly report on their
activities and identified regulatory issues
Geoff
Geoff,
It’s hard for me to understand how the
TAG’s mission can include providing notice to itself.
That’s why I tried splitting the idea in two:
-inviting WGs to notify the TAG
-sharing that information
See what you think of this alternative:
Dra ft IEEE 802 Radio
Regulatory TAG Mission
statement:
•
Internal communication
•
provide a forum to share information on
regulatory matters among Working Groups
•
encourage Working Groups to promptly
contribute and discuss reports on activities
and identified regulatory issues
• gather additional
information regarding relevant regulatory issues
•
notify Working Groups of relevant regulatory
inquiries, activities and timelines
•
notification should be made as information becomes
available rather than based on meeting schedule
•
provide expert advice to improve Working Group
positions during review
•
Represent IEEE 802 as the leader in wireless
access networking development
•
Provide regulators with roadmap and rationale for
new standards work
•
Develop a relationship with regulators that
encourages dialogs, both formal and informal
•
develop common 802 positions, accommodating
differences among 802 subgroups, as feasible in
accordance with deadlines
•
draft regulatory inputs on topics involving
multiple Working Groups
Roger
Roger-
Thank you very much for starting
this off.
I have added in red what I had in
mind.
My point for my addition being
that the information flow is FROM one WG to
the TAG (which presumably gets it to the other
WGs)
Geoff
Pat,
I agree with Geoff’s point.
Here is a proposed edit to address
it:
Dra ft IEEE 802
Radio Regulatory TAG Mission
statement:
•
Internal communication
•
provide early notice to the
RRTAG of radio regulatory
related work in the Working
Groups
•
invite Working Groups to
contribute and discuss reports
on activities and identified
regulatory issues
• gather
and share additional
information regarding relevant
regulatory issues
•
notify Working Groups of relevant
regulatory inquiries, activities and
timelines
•
notification should be made as
information becomes available rather
than based on meeting schedule
•
provide expert advice to improve
Working Group positions during
review
•
Represent IEEE 802 as the leader in
wireless access
networking development
•
Provide regulators with roadmap and
rationale for new standards work
•
Develop a relationship with
regulators that encourages dialogs,
both formal and informal
•
develop common 802 positions,
accommodating differences among 802
subgroups, as feasible in accordance
with deadlines
•
draft regulatory inputs on topics
involving multiple Working Groups
Roger
Pat-
My view, which
seems to be shared by others,
is that part of the mission should be
to be a forum where each WG
reports to the others
the activities and issues that
have come up in the WG. It
seems to me that it is in the
interest of 802 as a whole
(via 802.18) to know what is
of interest and/or what is
going on in the
regulatory/spectrum area.
Actually, I was
kind of charmed by the
presence of the word "Drat" in
an EC e-mail.
Geoff
Geoff,
My “f’
key was
misbehaving. I
caught most of
them but missed
one.
I’m not
sure what you want
me to add
regarding your
further
suggestion. This
is about the TAG
Mission, not the
WG’s obligations.
Bullets c
and d under 2
already cover its
role coordinating
between Working
Groups to develop
joint positions.
Regards,
Pat
Pat-
"Drat IEEE 802 Radio
Regulatory Mission
statement:
- Internal
communication
- notify
Working Groups
of relevant
regulatory
inquiries,
activities and
timelines
- notification
should be made
as information
becomes
available
rather than
based on
meeting
schedule
- provide
expert advice
to improve
Working Group
positions
during review"
Further,
it sounds as if
the internal
mission is all
communication TO
the Working
groups.
There
should also be a
mission element
of using the
group to
communicate
BETWEEN working
groups.
That
is, part of the
mission should
be for a WG to
notify all other
concerned WGs
upon which it is
taking up work
in the hope that
work will be
coordinated
during creation.
The
draft Radio
Regulatory TAG
Mission
statement is
on Mentor in
the IEEE 802
EC Docs
This
email is to
open a
discussion of
the proposed
mission
statement to
prepare for
conducting an
email motion
to approve the
mission
statement.
Please
respond to
this thread
with your
comments on
the mission
statement.
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