I disagree, Roger.
If the group has officially blessed work to do, it continues to exist.
If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Simple.
So in your 2-par case, it is clear that the group would cease to exist only
after the second par.
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Oct 06 Teleconference Minutes Posted
James,
It seems that a Study Group could develop two PARs. If it's to be disbanded upon approval of "the PAR", one could ask "Which PAR: the first or the second?" It's not unreasonable to presume the second one.
More generally, 5.4 says "after the Study Group recommendations have been accepted by the parent body, the Study Group will be disbanded no later than the end of the next plenary session." So if the Study Group has recommendations (other than the first or only
PAR) that are still awaiting acceptance by the parent body, then this says it's not supposed to be disbanded between plenaries.
So I still think there is at least a little ambiguity in the P&P. IMHO.
Roger
James P. K. Gilb wrote:
(Sorry about that, I responded to Roger only the first time).
Roger
It does say that earlier in the same subclause. Note that it is only specific about its charter and does not say that it cannot be dissolved earlier. For example, the EC could vote to dissolve it prior to the next plenary session. Or, in this case, the rules
state that it is dissolved upon approval of the PAR.
However, a motion from the EC can't override the rules in the P&P, which state it dissolves with approval of the PAR.
The EC is supposed to assign the PAR to a group, hence upon approval of the PAR, that group has the responsibility for that topic.
I don't see any ambiguity.
IMHO.
James Gilb
On 10/27/2015 01:54 PM, Roger Marks wrote:
James,
That's a strong point. On the other hand, 5.4 says:
"A Study Group shall report its recommendations, shall have a limited
lifetime, and is chartered plenary session-to-plenary session."
and EC Motion #40 (2015-07-17) says:
"To approve the extension of the IEEE 802 EC Privacy Recommendation
Study Group until the end of the November 2015 meeting."
so I think there is at least a little ambiguity.
Roger
James P. K. Gilb wrote:
All
I had an action item:
1) Gilb to determine when an 802 ECSG is disbanded per the 802
policies and procedures.
Based on the approved IEEE 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures:
1) The Privacy ECSG was disbanded upon approval of the PAR by the
IEEE-SA standards board.
2) With the disbanding of the ECSG, Juan Carlos is no longer a member
of the EC.
Rationale:
In our approved P&P, Clause 5.4, page 14, first paragraph: Two types
of Study Groups, Working Group Study Groups (WGSGs) and Executive
Committee Study Groups (ECSGs) are listed. Hence, when the term
"Study Group" is used the text without a modifier, it means either
type of group.
In Clause 5.4, final paragraph, it says "After the Study Group
recommendations have been accepted by the parent body, the Study Group
will be disbanded no later than the end of the next plenary session. A
Study Group is disbanded upon approval of the PAR by the IEEE-SA
Standards Board."
IMHO.
James Gilb
On 10/26/2015 01:09 PM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
All,
The minutes from the Oct 06 EC Teleconference have been posted.
Please see
http://ieee802.org/minutes/Conference-calls/2015-10-06-call-minutes-v0.pdf.
My thanks to Mr. Gilb for filling in for me during a computer moment.
Regards,
John D'Ambrosia
Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC
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