Re: [802SEC] +++ECM: Motion for 802.15.3 Revision PAR Title Change
Geoff
The addtion of the word multimedia to the title we discussed at the
closing EC meeting was in response to your comment. That IS what
this MAC is all about, maximize throughput, minimize dead air time, while
maintaining QoS through dynamic GTS and a variable Contention Access
Period. When it was first completed in 2003 it was totaly unique in
this regard. It is still unique in that it can still support higher
sustained throughputs for Multimedia since it is not addressing, nor does
it effectively address, typical LAN applications. It is able to totally
optimize for this particular class of application.
The 802.11 LAN MAC was modified to better support multimedia, and does an
admirable job for what it needs to do, but for good reasons it can not
achieve the range of performance a dedicated multimedia MAC can to
effectively address the corner cases. Short of putting "not a
LAN" in the title in addition to the word multimedia, I am not sure
how to convey this in a simple way. Using WPAN in the title does not
correctly reflect its content in any meaningful way. If multimedia
is not descriptive enough for a multimedia opitmized MAC/Standard, I am
open to suggestions as to how to make it succinctly more descriptive and
content relevent. I personally think that highlighting multimedia
exclusively rather than LAN is a reasonbable approach, conveys a distinct
focus, and is certainly more appropriate than the current title with
WPAN. So I would urge support for the motion.
Regards
Bob
At 09:02 PM 7/28/2015 +0000, Geoff Thompson wrote:
Adrian-
I agree with you.
I told Bob that I though his proposed title was "better" but
still not unique to 802.15 and undistinguished from other wireless LANs
(e.g. 802.11). I suggested that he try to incorporate some aspect
of the MAC technology/methodology into the the title.
I still think that is a good idea.
I think it is a bad idea for titles (proposed or established) to set 802
WGs up as adversaries.
As for Ethernet, the term goes back to the earliest days of the Xerox
PARC experimental coax-based CSMA/CD network. We have to blame Bob
Metcalfe for coming up with good name that was technology independent and
had market-style appeal and doing it early in the game. Those of us
who lived with that network had to let go of the name's association
with what we knew and loved so that it could be used for the commercial
spec (DEC-Intel-Xerox) when it was unleashed in 1980. A great piece
of branding.
Geoff
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:52 AM, "Stephens,
Adrian P" <Adrian.P.Stephens@INTEL.COM> wrote:
Hello all,
Iâ??m undecided on this, so please take my vote as an
abstain.
I might change that based on debate during this motion.
Apologies for the long email, but I do think itâ??s worth
thinking this through?
My concern relates to unique identity. What makes a particular
standard (and related amendments) related?
What is in the mind of somebody looking for the correct standard?
What is the â??brandâ?? or specific purpose of a standard?
I think â??Ethernetâ?? is an example of a great brand. 802.3 can
usefully rename themselves â??Ethernetâ?? because it has huge brand
recognition. That brand existed long before any formal alliance
that uses the term existed. (Correct me if Iâ??m wrong).
For 802.11 the situation is different. â??WiFiâ?? is our
brand, courtesy of the WiFi alliance. Iâ??d love to be able
to put WiFi into the name of our standard, but realize I
couldnâ??t because this term is not in the public domain.
I donâ??t see any obvious way of replacing the 802.11 title,
because it would end up as â??Standard for wireless LANsâ??; which
might be viewed by some as overly generic :0).
So that brings me to the current motion. IMHO, it is
better than the original shorter version, because it highlights
(what I suspect is only) part of the unique identity of
802.15.3. Is it still over-general, or is it the only
wireless network for multi-media? 802.11 is pretty successful
at that too ? every time you wwatch a You Tube clip on your laptop/tablet
or phone, you are using a wireless network (802.11) to view
multimedia content. As to rate, 802.11ad goes up to >1Gbps
throughput, and might be considered by some to be â??high
rateâ??.
I realize that 802.11 wasnâ??t designed with that specifically in
mind, and might not perform as well as a network designed from the
bottom up to serve that specific need.
I suspect more of you have used 802.11 to view multimedia content than
have used 802.15.3. That is why I still have heartburn over
describing 802.15.3 as (A / The ? this is not specified) standard for
High Rate wireless multi-media networks.
Best Regards,
Adrian P STEPHENS
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Subject: [802SEC] +++ECM: Motion for 802.15.3 Revision PAR Title
Change
Hi all-
If possible, I would like to get another 15.3 Revision item cleaned up in
time to be considered at the upcoming NesCom meeting. I did not see
any negative comments to the analysis and suggested title I circulated
previously (and repeated below) for the Revision PAR, so Paul has
authorized me to conduct an EC email ballot to seek approval.
Move that the EC approve changing the Title of the 802.15.3 Revision
PAR from:
IEEE Standard for Information technology-- Local and metropolitan
area networks-- Specific requirements-- Part 15.3: Wireless Medium Access
Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High Data Rate
Wireless Personal Area Networks(WPAN)
to:
Standard for High Data Rate Wireless Multi-Media Networks
Moved by: Bob Heile
Seconded by: James Gilb
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE
802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice
that this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received
to clearly decide a matter. Sufficient responses to clearly decide this
matter will be based on the required majority for a motion under
subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring approval by a majority vote' item (h),
'Other motions brought to the floor by members (when deemed in order by
the Sponsor Chair)' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC)
Policies and Procedures.
Thanks and Regards
Bob
At 02:04 PM 7/20/2015 -0500, Bob Heile wrote:
- Greetings all-
- Hope everyone had a safe journey back (or to IETF93).
- I have submitted the revision PAR for 15.3 with the original title
(though MyProjext deleted "IEEE" all on its own) for
consideration at the upcoming NesCom meeting in September. Since
this title does not really reflect what the standard does, I thought
getting some thoughts out on this now might pave the way for fixing this
at some future point.
- By way of background:
- Original Tiltle:
- IEEE Standard for Information technology-- Local and metropolitan
area networks-- Specific requirements-- Part 15.3: Wireless Medium Access
Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High Data Rate
Wireless Personal Area Networks(WPAN)
- Original Title without boilerplate:
- Standard for Wireless Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer
(PHY) Specifications for High Data Rate Wireless Personal Area
Networks(WPAN)
- Original Title without boilerplate and obvious text:
- Standard for High Data Rate Wireless Personal Area
Networks(WPAN)
- The heartburn would seem to be around the proposed deletion of the
two words "Personal Area". The issue is that "Personal
Area" does not describe what this standard does since the
applications supported are, by and large, anything but
"personal" and/or personal short range.
- Geoff suggested I might consider thinking about this in terms of the
MAC, which I thought was a really sensible idea. The 15.3 MAC was
designed from the beginning as a true Mulit-Media MAC rather than one
optimized for LAN applications. It has robust GTS capabilities, a
variable contention access period, and the ability to dynamically adjust
to maximize throughput. Things you would expect for Multi-media and the
reason it was chosen as the base standard for the 2 current
ammendments.
- So maybe a title which read:
- "Standard for High Data Rate Wireless Multi-Media
Networks" (or versions containing more of the non essential
boilerplate) would be not only more accurate but also more
acceptable.
- I would appreciate your thoughts or alternative suggestions.
- Regards
- Bob
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