Re: [802SEC] +++ECM: Motion for 802.15.3 Revision PAR Title Change

[Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org>]

Adrian-

I agree with you.

I told Bob that I though his proposed title was "better" but still not unique to 802.15 and undistinguished from other wireless LANs (e.g. 802.11).  I suggested that he try to incorporate some aspect of the MAC technology/methodology into the the title.

I still think that is a good idea.

I think it is a bad idea for titles (proposed or established) to set 802 WGs up as adversaries.

As for Ethernet, the term goes back to the earliest days of the Xerox PARC experimental coax-based CSMA/CD network.  We have to blame Bob Metcalfe for coming up with good name that was technology independent and had market-style appeal and doing it early in the game.  Those of us who lived with that network had to let go of the name's  association with what we knew and loved so that it could be used for the commercial spec (DEC-Intel-Xerox) when it was unleashed in 1980.  A great piece of branding.

Geoff

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 9:52 AM, "Stephens, Adrian P" <Adrian.P.Stephens@INTEL.COM> wrote:

Hello all,

 

I’m undecided on this,  so please take my vote as an abstain.

I might change that based on debate during this motion.

 

Apologies for the long email,   but I do think it’s worth thinking this through…

 

My concern relates to unique identity.  What makes a particular standard (and related amendments) related?

What is in the mind of somebody looking for the correct standard?  What is the “brand” or specific purpose of a standard?

 

I think “Ethernet” is an example of a great brand.  802.3 can usefully rename themselves “Ethernet” because it has huge brand recognition.  That brand existed long before any formal alliance that uses the term existed.  (Correct me if I’m wrong).

 

For 802.11 the situation is different.  “WiFi” is our brand,  courtesy of the WiFi alliance.  I’d love to be able to put WiFi into the name of our standard,   but realize I couldn’t because this term is not in the public domain.

I don’t see any obvious way of replacing the 802.11 title,  because it would end up as “Standard for wireless LANs”;  which might be viewed by some as overly generic :0).

 

So that brings me to the current motion.   IMHO,  it is better than the original shorter version,  because it highlights (what I suspect is only) part of the unique identity of 802.15.3.   Is it still over-general,  or is it the only wireless network for multi-media?   802.11 is pretty successful at that too – every time you watch a You Tube clip on your laptop/tablet or phone,  you are using a wireless network (802.11) to view multimedia content.  As to rate,  802.11ad goes up to >1Gbps throughput,  and might be considered by some to be “high rate”.

 

I realize that 802.11 wasn’t designed with that specifically in mind,  and might not perform as well as a network designed from the bottom up to serve that specific need.

 

I suspect more of you have used 802.11 to view multimedia content than have used 802.15.3.  That is why I still have heartburn over describing 802.15.3 as (A / The – this is not specified) standard for High Rate wireless multi-media networks.

 

 

 

 

 

Best Regards,

 

Adrian P STEPHENS

 

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Subject: [802SEC] +++ECM: Motion for 802.15.3 Revision PAR Title Change

 

Hi all-

If possible, I would like to get another 15.3 Revision item cleaned up in time to be considered at the upcoming NesCom meeting.  I did not see any negative comments to the analysis and suggested title I circulated previously (and repeated below) for the Revision PAR, so Paul has authorized me to conduct an EC email ballot to seek approval.

Move that the EC approve changing the Title of the 802.15.3 Revision PAR from:

IEEE Standard for Information technology-- Local and metropolitan area networks-- Specific requirements-- Part 15.3: Wireless Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High Data Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks(WPAN)

to:

Standard for High Data Rate Wireless Multi-Media Networks

Moved by:  Bob Heile
Seconded by: James Gilb

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Voting rules' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter. Sufficient responses to clearly decide this matter will be based on the required majority for a motion under subclause 7.1.1 'Actions requiring approval by a majority vote' item (h), 'Other motions brought to the floor by members (when deemed in order by the Sponsor Chair)' of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Policies and Procedures.

Thanks and Regards

Bob


At 02:04 PM 7/20/2015 -0500, Bob Heile wrote:

Greetings all-

Hope everyone had a safe journey back (or to IETF93).

I have submitted the revision PAR for 15.3 with the original title (though MyProjext deleted "IEEE" all on its own) for consideration at the upcoming NesCom meeting in September.  Since this title does not really reflect what the standard does, I thought getting some thoughts out on this now might pave the way for fixing this at some future point.

By way of background:

Original Tiltle:
IEEE Standard for Information technology-- Local and metropolitan area networks-- Specific requirements-- Part 15.3: Wireless Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High Data Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks(WPAN)

Original Title without boilerplate:
Standard for Wireless Medium Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High Data Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks(WPAN)

Original Title without boilerplate and obvious text:
Standard for High Data Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks(WPAN)

The heartburn would seem to be around the proposed deletion of the two words "Personal Area". The issue is that "Personal Area" does not describe what this standard does since the applications supported are, by and large, anything but "personal" and/or personal short range.

Geoff suggested I might consider thinking about this in terms of the MAC, which I thought was a really sensible idea.  The 15.3 MAC was designed from the beginning as a true Mulit-Media MAC rather than one optimized for LAN applications. It has robust GTS capabilities, a variable contention access period, and the ability to dynamically adjust to maximize throughput. Things you would expect for Multi-media and the reason it was chosen as the base standard for the 2 current ammendments.

So maybe a title which read:

"Standard for High Data Rate Wireless Multi-Media Networks"  (or versions containing more of the non essential boilerplate) would be not only more accurate but also more acceptable.

I would appreciate your thoughts or alternative suggestions.

Regards

Bob


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Chair IEEE 2030.5 Working Group for Smart Energy Profile 2
Co-Chair IEEE P2030 Task Force 3 on Smartgrid Communications

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