Re: [802SEC] WG membership rules
Hi Tony,
There seems to be a clear statement in subclause 5.4 'Registration policy' of the IEEE 802 LMSC Operations Manual in respect to loss of all accumulated credit as a result of failure to comply with the registration requirements. In the list of conditions to regain voting rights it sates 'Second, acquire the participation credit required for group membership as required for an individual that had never previously attended an IEEE 802 LMSC session.'. Maybe the text in subclause 7.2.3. 'Loss' of the IEEE 802 LMSC Working Group Policies and Procedures could be aligned to be similar.
Best regards,
David
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] WG membership rules
Adrian -
I believe that is how I have interpreted the rules to date - i.e., if you lose membership because you fail in your obligations (voting, paying fees etc) then you lose your vote and all accumulated credit. This text probably got mangled, to its detriment, in the process of installing it in the WG P&P, because it certainly was clear at one point.
Regards,
Tony
On 21 February 2014 07:34, Stephens, Adrian P <Adrian.P.Stephens@intel.com> wrote:
Dear SEC,
If you are responsible for maintaining voting status for your WG, please respond to the
question at the end of this email.
A query by an 802.11 member causes me to question how I’ve interpreted the WG P&P regarding
loss of membership through non-attendance.
The WG P&P State: (my highlight)
7.2.2. Retention
Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last four plenary sessions. One duly
constituted interim WG or task group session may be substituted for one of the two plenary
sessions.
7.2.3. Loss
Excepting recirculation letter ballots membership may be lost if two of the last three WG letter
ballots are not returned, or are returned with an abstention for other than “lack of technical
expertise.” This rule may be excused by the WG Chair if the individual is otherwise an active
participant. If lost per this subclause, membership is re-established as if the person were a new
candidate member.
It describes how to retain membership by participation, but does not state what happens
if the member fails to maintain membership. In the case of failure to return ballots, it is
explicit that the member is reset as though a new member.
So, the rules are ambiguous. You could interpolate a rule similar to the highlighted case
for non-attendance (which I have unconsciously done in 802.11). In doing so, I am following
previous 802.11 vice chairs’ interpretation.
We have a member with the following attendances
03 2013 - No (plenary)
05 2013 - No (interim)
07 2013 - Yes (plenary)
09 2013 - No (interim)
11 2013 - No (plenary) (loses voting rights)
01 2013 - Yes (interim)
03 2013 - Yes (plenary)
According to the “everything reset” interpretation, the member is an aspirant at the
start of march. According to the “2 in last 4 plenaries, regardless of loss of voting rights in this period”
interpretation, he is a potential voter.
The implication of the “does not reset” interpretation is that a member never transitions to non-member
directly, but always transitions first to aspirant. And then later transitions to non-member.
IMHO, your working groups must be operating one of the following two rules:
1. Resets to non-member, loses previous attendances
2. Reverts to aspirant, keeps previous attendances for future gain to voting member.
Please let me know of these rule you are operating. If it turns out we’re all doing the same thing, we should
put that in the WG P&P.
Best Regards,
Adrian P STEPHENS
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