Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P
Approve but with comment:
There seems to be a conflict between 8.3.2 Subgroup public statements (which isn't modifiable) and the OM Clause 8 - unless one takes the position that the communications covered by OM Clause 8 aren't public statements - because this P&P 8.3.2 requires that subgroup public statements be approved by the sponsor but OM Clause 8 just requires that subgroup communications to other standards bodies be copied to the sponsor and to government bodies be subject to 5 day review and possible motion to block.
Regards,
Pat
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P
All
Updated vote tally, as of 13:35 PDT, the ballot is scheduled to close
tonight.
The ballot is currently passing as it requires 13 approve votes to pass
(see below) and there are currently 12 approve votes plus the Chair has
conditionally voted approve, if his vote would change the outcome. The
current tally is:
Voter: APP DIS ABS DNV
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CH Paul Nikolich APP (if vote would change outcome)
VC Pat Thaler DNV
VC James Gilb APP
ES Jon Rosdahl APP
RS John D'Ambrosia APP
TR Clint Chaplin APP
01 Tony Jeffree APP
03 David Law DNV
11 Bruce Kraemer APP
15 Bob Heile APP
16 Roger Marks APP
18 Mike Lynch APP
19 Steve Shellhammer APP
21 Subir Das APP
22 Apurva Mody APP
24 James Gilb (can only vote once)
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TOTALS 13 0 0 2
If you have not voted, please consider voting.
As a reminder, the criteria to pass is 2/3 of all members. We have a 6
officers (including the Chair), 10 WG/TAG chairs (but the 802.24
Chair/2nd Vice Chair counts as only one member, not two) and 4
non-voting members (2 chairs of hibernating working groups and 2 members
emeritus) for a total of 19 members. 2/3 of this is 13.
If this ballot passes, then once the new P&P is posted by AudCom, the
criteria for future changes will be 2/3 of all voting members (currently
15), which would be 10 with our current voting membership.
James Gilb
On 12/03/2012 02:24 PM, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
> 802 EC members
>
> Background:
> We received a comment on our proposed P&P. In our old P&P, public
> statements require only majority vote, however in the new baseline, they
> require super majority vote.
>
> In keeping with our old P&P, I had moved this from super majority to
> simple majority. However, in that baseline, the super majority items
> are not allowed to be moved to simple majority.
>
> Hence, I have posted a new proposed P&P to mentor at
> https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/12/ec-12-0084-00-00EC-proposed-lmsc-p-p-rev-13.doc
> and I have attached a copy as well.
>
> Motion:
> This email serves as the submission 30 days in advance of the conclusion
> of an electronic ballot to approve them. I propose the following motion
> to be confirmed by an EC electronic ballot that concludes on January 3,
> 2013:
>
> -------------
> This motion is proposed using the process defined in "Revision of
> Sponsor P&P" in our currently approved Sponsor P&P.
>
> Moved: The 802 EC approves the document ec-12-0084-00-00EC as the IEEE
> 802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that will be submitted to AudCom for
> approval, with editorial changes allowed.
>
> Moved: James Gilb
> Second: Jon Rosdahl
> ------------
>
> Reference, from Clause 12 of IEEE 802's approved P&P:
>
> 12 Revision of Sponsor P&P
>
> Revisions to these P&P shall be submitted to the sponsor no less than 30
> day in advance of a motion (or conclusion of an electronic ballot) to
> approve them. Amendments in response to comments on the P&P are
> permitted. Insufficient time to consider complex amendments is a valid
> reason to vote disapprove. A motion to revise the Sponsor P&P shall
> require a vote of approve by at least two thirds of all members of the
> Sponsor.
>
> Second Vice Chair's note regarding threshold for passing the motion:
> We have 5 officers, 9 WG/TAG chairs, 2 chairs of hibernating WGs and 2
> member emeriti
> - 10 WGs/TAGs, but count Gilb in officers, not as TAG chair
> - 18 members, 2/3 approval is 12 affirmative votes
>
> James Gilb
> IEEE 802 Second Vice Chair
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