Re: [802SEC] Topic for the Palm Springs wireless interim
Mike,
The meeting slot that I pointed out was intended to be an ongoing
coordination after the PAR work...that was the initial start. No PAR work
is being done there. I must not be communicating very well.
I really do not understand your push back on this joint meeting timing. I
had a time/room/agenda point that I thought would meet your request that was
already mutually agreed upon by the wireless WGs.
The respective WG have their minutes on any meetings that actually took
place, but as I originally noted, this slot has been reserved for the
purpose, but little has been done.
All the subjects you point out below would be great if they had been already
discussed. I do not know that they have. Do the groups need a topic list
like what you have proposed below to help focus their discussions? yes, I
believe so.
I am not suggesting any topic for the timeslot, just pointing out that a
time slot that was supposedly mutually available was already defined, and
that you should try to use it.
Regards,
Jon
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From: <MJLynch@mjlallc.com>
To: "Jon Rosdahl" <jrosdahl@ieee.org>
Cc: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Topic for the Palm Springs wireless interim
Jon,
The purpose is not to work on PARs but to achieve some level of
understanding amongst all those interested in White Space communications as
to what the activities in the various WGs are meant to achieve. Could it
come up with something that 802.18 needs to take forward either to the US
FCC, the ITU-R or elsewhere? Yes, that is a possibility.
What has been the result of the 802.11 hosted sessions? Is there an
understanding amongst all the wireless groups about what the others are
doing? Is there a common view on spectrum usage? Corridor conversations that
I have at our meetings suggest that the latter isn't the case. Are there
regulatory challenges - real or perceived - regarding the use of White Space
spectrum in any administration? Some discussions that I have had deal with
using 54 - 72 and 76 - 88 MHz (channels 2 - 6 in the US raster), is that
spectrum truly widely available and if not then what are the challenges? Are
there services other than broadcast that will need to be protected? Those
could be adjacent or co-channel.
802.18 is not looking to duplicate any work that 802.11/15/22 have done and
PARs are not something that 802.18 wishes to deal with again. Is there
material from those joint sessions dealing with spectrum usage and the
protection of non-broadcast services? It is presumed that any 802 technology
using the White Spaces will comply with the administration's rules
protecting the broadcast service. What about in band coexistence of 802
technologies? If so then where are the results and are they readily
available to any and all 802 groups wanting to develop technologies for the
White Spaces? If these joint sessions have developed this knowledge then it
could be shared in the meeting that 802.18 is proposing to host.
Regards,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Rosdahl [mailto:jrosdahl@ieee.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 15:42
To: MJLynch@mjlallc.com
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Topic for the Palm Springs wireless interim
Mike,
That is exactly why I thought that the Joint 802 sessions would be such a
good Idea.
What I was pointing out is that 802.11/.22/.15 have a joint session on the
agenda (at least on the 802.11 agenda) for the last 5 sessions (plenaries
and interims). it is always on Tuesday from 7:30-9:30. it was originally
setup to work-out the PAR language that the WGs were concerned with, and was
to be an ongoing opportunity to keep the three WG working together and
understanding what each was doing.
So I am not sure what is different of the "802 brain trust" from having the
joint session in Palm Springs?
Regards,
Jon
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From: <MJLynch@mjlallc.com>
To: "Jon Rosdahl" <jrosdahl@ieee.org>
Cc: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Topic for the Palm Springs wireless interim
Jon,
I think that with all of the items ongoing in Geneva, with regulators, etc.,
we need to gather the 802 brain trust and at least as a first step
understand what everyone in 802 is doing. This will also provide an
opportunity for other participants (ETRI comes to mind) to make clear what
they see as White Space applications in areas such as Smart Grid.
If you were to ask a non-802.11 participant what 802.11 is doing in regard
to the White Space concept you would have multiple answers based on
perceptions (or misperceptions) of what is being developed. I think that
applies to all of the WGs. This isn't to say that 802 needs to develop a
common approach but it may help to make certain that what is developed is
viable.
Regards,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Rosdahl [mailto:jrosdahl@ieee.org]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 13:57
To: MJLynch@mjlallc.com
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Topic for the Palm Springs wireless interim
Mike
There has an attempt to hold a White Space interested joint meeting
Tuesday evening 7:30-9:30.
The 802.11WG has consistently reserved a room for this topic with the idea
of joint sharing.
Some of our sessions this has not been taken advantage of, but maybe the
leaders of the White Space groups would consider it.
Just my .02, unofficially,
Jon
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From: "MJLynch@mjlallc.com" <MJLynch@MJLALLC.COM>
To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: [802SEC] Topic for the Palm Springs wireless interim
Dear EC,
I think that we are all aware that there are a number of activities within
802 relating to White Space communications. It has been suggested that it
would be useful if 802.18 hosted a session in Palm Springs where each WG
active in the White Space arena could provide a brief update/description of
their current activities. The goal would be to make certain that everyone
working in this area has a clear and accurate view of what others are doing.
I propose that we discuss this at the Sunday wireless leadership meeting. It
may be best to do this early in the week such as either Monday afternoon or
Tuesday morning.
Regards,
Mike
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