Re: [802SEC] FW: NetFPGA tutorial at IEEE plenary in San Francisco
Geoff,
I agree that this would be an appropriate item to discuss on the EC Con Call.
I don't quite agree about the ASN.1 tutorials. In my understanding, the rationale for giving those tutorials was that ASN.1 is used in our standards. Therefore, we need editors and reviewers who understand ASN.1 in order to produce quality documents. This would be similar to a tutorial session to train participants in the use of our Access comment tool or editing our documents in FrameMaker. Such tutorials serve the tutorial purpose in the chair's guideline "Describe basic 802 or other standards process." They involve teaching people about using a commercial tool that some part of 802 uses for development of our standards.
(However, I wasn't able to attend either ASN.1 tutorial so I don't know whether anything in the tutorials went beyond teaching about using a tool for creating our standards.)
Regards,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:thompson@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:19 AM
To: Pat Thaler
Cc: BRigsB@ieee.org; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] FW: NetFPGA tutorial at IEEE plenary in San Francisco
Pat-
RE: Your statement: "My inclination would be to not open our tutorials
to this category of presention."
I believe that we already have made that step with the ASN.1 tutorials that we had last year. They were on a relevant standards topic but were based on a commercial product. I believe those two tutorial were highly useful but I have to confess that (ignoring the usefulness of the content) they were over the line.
Thus I believe that the decision should be based on:
1) A review by the EC of the success or failure of the ASN.1 tutorials.
2) A review of our criteria based on #1
3) Only then consider the NetFGPA tutorial.
We could also consider something other than a 90 minute Monday tutorial slot (as was done with ASN.1)
Seems to me like this is an appropriate agenda item for the EC Con Call.
Geoff
On 14//11 12:08 PM, Pat Thaler wrote:
> First off, I'm not sure that what they are asking for is the same type of tutorial session that we normally have.
> "We offer NetFPGA tutorials worldwide to provide new users hands-on experience using the platform."
> Hands-on experience using the platform sounds more like a 1-day tutorial such as occurs before some conferences rather than an evening 90 minute slot.
>
> Secondly, it seems to be on the edge between legitimate tutorial topic and too commercial. It doesn't seem to directly fit the "Purpose of Tutorials" in the Chair guidelines:
> 2) Purpose of Tutorials should:
> * Explore possible new directions for 802 efforts
> * Summarize ongoing major work of Study Group or WG or TAG.
> * Describe basic 802 or other standards process.
>
> Admittedly, there are other valid tutorial topics that don't fit the purpose description above such as a tutorial covering related work done by a non-802 standards body (unless we interpret Study Group or WG or TAG to include similar groups in other standards organizations or to the extent that understanding what other groups are doing helps us explore new directions for our efforts). For instance, if T11 wanted to do a tutorial on their FC-BB work regarding FCoE or one of the other IEEE groups working on AVB related topics or IETF on their Emergency Services or TRILL work. That sort of tutorial should be suitable.
>
> There are a host of potential similar topics if purpose of tutorials includes updating us on network development and network monitoring tools. Tutorials on network monitors, simulation tools, other prototyping tools. Does it make a difference that this tool comes from a .org rather than a .com? I don't think it should.
>
> My inclination would be to not open our tutorials to this category of presention.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
>
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> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 8:31 AM
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> Subject: [802SEC] FW: NetFPGA tutorial at IEEE plenary in San Francisco
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> Question: Does this sound like a legitimate tutorial topic and is anyone interested in sponsoring it, or is it way too commercial to be an 802-topic ???
>
> Thanx, Buzz
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sachidanandan Sambandan [mailto:ssamband@stanford.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:18 PM
> To: bkraemer@marvell.com; BRigsB@ieee.org
> Cc: ssamband@stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: NetFPGA tutorial at IEEE plenary in San Francisco
>
> Hi Bruce, Buzz,
> I work with the NetFPGA team under Prof. Nick McKeown at Stanford University.
> We maintain the 1G NetFPGA platform and just released the 4 port 10G version.
>
> The NetFPGA platform (http://NetFPGA.org) was created to give our students and researchers hands-on experience building networking hardware that processes packets at line-rate. NetFPGA is a teaching tool used by undergraduate and graduate students to learn about networking hardware; and it is a development platform used by researchers to build working prototypes of high-speed, hardware-accelerated networking systems operating at line-rate.
>
> Over two thousand NetFPGA systems are in use by 150 groups in 15 countries. The NetFPGA has been used by teachers at Stanford, Rice, Washington and Cambridge Universities in the classroom to help students learn how to build Gigabit Ethernet (GigE) switches and Internet Protocol (IP) routers. It has also been used by researchers to prototype new modules that use hardware rather than software to forward packets.
>
> The NetFPGA platform was originally built at Stanford University with funds from NSF to support teaching of a networking class (CS344: "Build an Internet Router"). The first version of the hardware was designed in 2001 based on 10Mb/s Ethernet. Prototypes were used to teach a graduate course in 2003 and courseware for the class was made available on the web. Subsequently, we have built a 1 Gb/s version of the NetFPGA that is currently in production and just released a 10 Gb/s version. We offer NetFPGA tutorials worldwide to provide new users hands-on experience using the platform. We offer boards to researchers and academics at deeply discounted prices made possible by donations from the industry.
>
> We would like to offer a NetFPGA tutorial at the IEEE plenary in San Francisco this July. I am writing to you to request your sponsorship of this tutorial.
>
> I look forward to a positive response.
>
> Best Regards,
> Sachi Sambandan
> Stanford NetFPGA team
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