Re: [802SEC] Rulling on the meaning of "Substantially Complete"
Mat's thoughts on this topic:
Personally I think we generally create unnecessarily rigid rules, but rules are rules. The fact that we have broken them in the past, doesn't mean we shouldn't obey them once we realize our errors. If we don't like them, we should change them.
While I agree that the line:
"This procedure is to be used when approval to forward a draft standard to sponsor ballot or to RevCom is conditional on successful completion of a WG or sponsor recirculation ballot, respectively."
Could be interpreted to allow multiple recirculation ballots, the text later in the clause make it clear that only one recirculation is contemplated. Consider the following:
"Conditions:
a) Recirculation ballot is completed. Generally, the recirculation ballot and resolution should occur in accordance with the schedule presented at the time of conditional approval.
b) After resolution of the recirculation ballot is completed, the approval percentage is at least 75% and there are no new valid DISAPPROVE votes."
There are several other similar references, the point being that the words "recirculation ballot" always occurs in the singular. If the rules intended to allow form multiple recirculations, the term here should have been plural.
While I personally believe the rule should allow for "2 reciruclations" (and no more by the way), put simply - it does not.
So I would request that the LMSC Chair rule that only on recirculation is allowed for instances where the conditional approval process is used. I would also support changing the rule (via a rules change) to allow for up to 2 recirculations.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence & Support (EI&S)
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Subject: [802SEC] Rulling on the meaning of "Substantially Complete"
Paul,
In the LMSC OM Clause 14 the rules read:
14. Procedure for Conditional Approval to Forward a Draft Standard
This procedure is to be used when approval to forward a draft standard to sponsor ballot or to RevCom is conditional on successful completion of a WG or sponsor recirculation ballot, respectively. Seeking conditional approval is only appropriate when ballot resolution efforts have been substantially completed and the approval ratio is sufficient.
Based on the confusion and debate at the EC meeting today on this matter, I request that you do a formal interpretation of this rule in regards with whether the term "substantially complete" would allow for multiple (more than 1) recirculations to be held and still be compliant with the Conditional Approval procedure. You opinion should be captured in the Chairs guide for future reference, and clarification would be included in the OM at the first opportunity.
Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence & Support (EI&S)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com<mailto:matthew.sherman@baesystems.com>
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