Re: [802SEC] straw poll on interim EC telecon meetings
Paul -
I share Pat's concerns.
Regards,
Tony
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> SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler
> Sent: 16 April 2010 7:37 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] straw poll on interim EC telecon meetings
>
> Paul,
>
> I have some concerns about the idea. I think an interim EC telecon meeting
> might make sense to give time to discuss the topics that are so difficult
to
> get to during a plenary (e.g. the sort of things that get broken out to
small
> meetings during the plenary week) but not for the items that you
suggested.
>
> ----------
> One is time, attendance and the ability for international participation -
we
> have had difficulty finding a time slot that gets good attendance for an
EC
> teleconference. I'm concerned that we would making decisions with a much
> smaller body than our usual nearly complete attendance at plenaries. I
think
> currently that all EC members are from the NA and Europe which makes
finding
> a workable time a bit easier but some WG vice-chairs and other observers
that
> wish to participate may be domiciled in Asia. And of course we need to
allow
> for in the future possibly having someone living in that area as an EC
> member. Once one has NA, Europe and Asia to consider, the time slot will
be
> in the middle of the night for someone.
>
> ----------
> The second is the ability for WGs to have input.
>
> I'm strongly against moving PAR approval to a teleconference for this
reason.
> We have a procedure for PARs to ensure that WGs get a chance to resolve
> concerns about another groups PAR. Until we have an agreed procedure for
> getting similar interaction on PARs between meetings, I don't think we can
> move that approval out of the plenary session. I also don't see a strong
need
> to move it. Approval of a PAR isn't time critical - yes it causes hand-
> wringing when a PAR approval gets delayed due to issues at one plenary but
> work can still continue in the study group. The only time I feel that 2
> months might make a difference for PAR consideration is for a corrigenda
> (since these correct a bug in a standard which may be small but serious).
But
> that doesn't happen so often as to warrant creating a meeting for it.
Worst
> case, it would be permissible to start a WG ballot on a corrigenda before
PAR
> approval. Or we could consider allowing EC email ballots to approve
> submission of a corrig!
> enda PAR.
>
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> The third reason is that we can deal with some of these topics by
reflector
> discussion and ballot. This mechanism is open and doesn't have the global
> time coordination issues that are posed by meeting. We generally get
nearly
> full participation in these ballots. We fairly regularly deal with
approval
> to forward to sponsor ballot with an EC email ballot. In fact I'm hoping
to
> do so for 802.1Qaz in May as it was not advanced enough to ask for
> conditional ballot in March.
>
> I don't think we have used email balloting for RevCom submittal approval
> (partly because the RevCom calendar usually works reasonably well with our
> meeting schedules and partly because submittal to RevCom is such a final
act)
> but I'd be willing to consider doing it. I'd like to have some process in
> place if we are going to allow approval to forward to RevCom by email
ballot
> - something that requires an adequate notice before the vote so that WG
> chairs can use their reflectors to ask their WGs for feedback.
>
>
> ----------------
>
> The EC meetings during the plenary week often have very small attendance
> because we all have so many other obligations then. I think an interim EC
> might be able to deal with them and get better attendance than one on
Tuesday
> through Thursday of a plenary week even if it doesn't get as much
attendance
> as our opening and closing EC meetings. For those topics an interim EC
> meeting might make sense.
>
> Regards,
>
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> SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 8:30 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] straw poll on interim EC telecon meetings
>
> Paul, That seems like a good plan to me. It would allow us to act on
WG
> motions coming out of their interim sessions.
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Please note my contact info:
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> IEEE-802 LMSC Meeting Manager
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On
> Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 7:19 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [802SEC] straw poll on interim EC telecon meetings
>
> Dear EC members,
>
> I'd like to get your feedback on holding an EC meeting via teleconference
> between plenary sessions (for example in the 1st week of June, October and
> February). My though is we'd hold a 2 hour telecon to make decisions on
> time-critical items such as PAR approvals, Sponsor Ballot initiation
> approvals, RevCom submissions, etc.
>
> I'd make sure we'd have an agenda posted 30 days in advance and all the
> materials necessary to make such decisions available for review at least
one
> week before the telecon.
>
> Thoughts? Please provide your feedback by 23APR. I'll summarize the
> feedback and if the response is positive, I'd like us to consider holding
> the first such meeting 1pm-3pm ET Friday 04JUN2010.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul
>
>
>
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