Re: [802SEC] Hotel problem
If you want to present it positively, why not just put things as they are...
have the room rate lowered and charge a "meeting venue" fee and balance in
such a way as to as to land on our feet.
In this way, the meeting organization stays out of the "where you want to
stay" contrevorsey. It still entices the people to stay at the hotel because
the rooms are less expensive than the "loaded" price, so the organization
looks like it negotiated a beeter deal for the rooms. It would also lower
the IEEE802 risk by not allowing atenndees to flock to other hotels and
leave IEEE802 stuck with a large unused room block fee (because the room
block fees would be lower) if people elect to stay eslewhere.
At the end of the day, Pat is right, the maths remain the same. Some people
will always squeal because we are closing out a way they found to come in
cheap at other people's expense... but that's life, the other people don't
have to and should not be expected to pay one's way via cheapsking on the
room fees and not payin g their fiar share of the meeting venue fees.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Ivan Reede
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Thaler" <pthaler@BROADCOM.COM>
To: "Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)" <matthew.sherman@BAESYSTEMS.COM>;
<STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Hotel problem
The vast majority of our attendees are pretty intellegent folks with
training in higher math and will understand that the meeting fee is:
X if you stay in a contracted hotel and
Y if you don't.
I don't think any of them will feel differently about that based on whether
we present that as
Y - $300 = X or
X + $300 = Y
Pat
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:26 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Hotel problem
Buzz,
While a "surcharge" may have been approved, I agree with Bruce that
presenting it as a 'discount' may make it more positive and palatable in the
eyes of our attendees. It also shifts the default position from "don't have
to pay" to "have to pay" which may work in our favor as well. Perhaps we
can consider this at the March meeting?
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
Cell: +1 973.229.9520
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:20 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Hotel problem
Hi Bruce, I'm sorry if you misunderstood the proposal but if you will
look at the attached motion which was voted, it clearly does indicate "a
surcharge of $300" will be applied for those not staying on the
802-contracted hotel.
If you would prefer to explain it as a "discount for those staying in the
802-contracted hotel" that's OK with me but that's a much larger set of
people. Our goal of course is to minimize the number subject to the
surcharge, and the evidence from the Wireless Interim meetings and the 802.3
Interims is that it works very well. I would be very happy to sit down and
explain the proposal to any who have concerns during the March Plenary if
you think that would help. But I don't think changing the wording of the
proposal will make any difference because the result will be the same either
way.
I know it sounds harsh and unfair at first blush but upon explanation it
actually makes a lot of sense, and several people have indicated that it
actually solved the problem they were having with their company trying to
switch them to other hotels by making it no longer economically beneficial.
You can call me if you want to discuss it further at my numbers below.
Thanx, Buzz
Please note my contact info:
Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee
Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
7750 80th Place SE
Mercer Island, WA 98040-5912
ph/fx: 206-236-2229
cell: 206-818-4978
SkypeID: BRigsB
BRigsB@ieee.org
From: Bruce Kraemer [mailto:bkraemer@marvell.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:57 AM
To: BRigsB@ieee.org; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc: Paul Nikolich; James Gilb; Stephens, Adrian P; Jon Rosdahl
Subject: Hotel problem
Buzz,
You are causing me a big problem on a sensitive topic. Adrian noted that
your message reads:
A $300 US surcharge will be added to the registration fee for those
attendees not booking and staying in the 802-
contracted hotel(s); Caribe Royale and Buena Vista Suites. Proof of hotel
stay will be required to prevent having
to pay the surcharge, when you pick-up your badge.
This is not what we agreed. This is not a surcharge, but a discount that
applies to those using the meeting
hotel.
You have placed me in a position where I need to investigate and protest the
surcharge fee. Please note that I will enter this as a topic for the EC
meeting in March.
Bruce
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:55 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: URGENT: Hotel Website Still Broken - Please use workaround below to
BOOK NOW !!!
{To all WG Chairs: Please ensure this urgent message is forwarded to your
full WG List}
MEETING UPDATE #2
IEEE 802 Plenary March 14-19, 2010
Orlando, Florida USA
Hotel Website Still Broken - Please use workarounds below !!! PLEASE BOOK
NOW !!!
CARIBE ROYALE RESORT - An All-Suites Hotel Property
GROUP RATE (IEEE802)
.$170.00 US Single/Double Occupancy plus 12.5% taxes per Suite (free
Guestroom Internet Included)
RESERVATION CUT OFF DATE - 6 pm EST on FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2010
CANCELLATION POLICY - No charge if cancelled before 6 pm EST on Date of
Arrival
Caribe Royale Resort WEB RESERVATIONS LINK: (you may need to cut & paste
the following URL into your browser to assure access)
https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/cariberoyale/Availability.asp?WCI=
Groups
<https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/cariberoyale/Availability.asp?WCI
=Groups&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=4905&GroupPassword=885>
&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=4905&GroupPassword=885
BUENA VISTA SUITES - An All-Suites Hotel Property adjoining the Caribe
GROUP RATE (IEEE802)
.$150.00 US Single/Double Occupancy plus 12.5% taxes per Suite (free
Guestroom Internet Included)
RESERVATION CUT OFF DATE - 6 pm EST on FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2010
CANCELLATION POLICY - No charge if cancelled before 6 pm EST on Date of
Arrival
Buena Vista Suites WEB RESERVATIONS LINK: (you may need to cut & paste the
following URL into your browser to assure access)
https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/buenavistasuites/Availability.asp?
WCI=Groups
<https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/buenavistasuites/Availability.asp
?WCI=Groups&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=2235&GroupPassword=38000705>
&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=2235&GroupPassword=38000705
If you still have reservation site problems please use Phone or FAX for your
reservation.
For more information about Registration, VISA Letters, the Basic Schedule
and other event particulars please see the web portal,
http://ieee802.facetoface-events.com/plenary
REGISTRATION DETAILS
Register for this session at: http://ieee802.facetoface-events.com/plenary
EARLY Registration Fee $400 US
Before 6PM Pacific Time (PT) Friday February 12, 2010
(UTC Time: 2am Saturday, February 13)
Web Registration Fee $500 US
Before 6PM Pacific Time (PT) Monday March 8, 2010 (UTC
Time: 2am Tuesday, March 9)
LATE / ONSITE Registration Fee $600 US
After 6PM Pacific Time (PT) Monday March 8, 2010
(UTC Time: 2am Tuesday, March 9)
A $300 US surcharge will be added to the registration fee for those
attendees not booking and staying in the 802-contracted hotel(s); Caribe
Royale and Buena Vista Suites.
Proof of hotel stay will be required to prevent having to pay the surcharge,
when you pick-up your badge.
Meeting Planner Contact Information
Face To Face Events
2699 Iversen Court
Santa Clara, CA 95051 USA
Phone: (408) 241-8906 Fax: (408) 241-8918 Email:
802info@facetoface-events.com
Thanx, Buzz
Please note my contact info:
Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee
Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
7750 80th Place SE
Mercer Island, WA 98040-5912
ph/fx: 206-236-2229
SkypeID: BRigsB
BRigsB@ieee.org
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