Re: [802SEC] Updated LMSC OM and LMSC P&P
Buzz,
Regardless of any conflict, I think we had made a decision a couple of years ago to use "IEEE 802" rather than LMSC. It had nothing to do with trademarks, it was just to have a consistent nomenclature. I've lost track of that decision and haven't been enforcing it much in my editing. I don't want a complete search and replace, but I agree that we should replace most occurrences with IEEE 802. I believe IEEE 802 is already an IEEE trademark. The next time we update each document we should try and update the nomenclature. If people prefer to go the other way and go with LMSC, then we may want to touch base with IEEE legal and look at a trademark of our own...
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
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From: Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee [mailto:BRigsBieee@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:20 PM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); 'Todd Glassey'
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; 'James Gilb'
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Updated LMSC OM and LMSC P&P
Hi Matt, LMSC was an abbreviation for Lockheed Missiles & Space Company.
I know this because my stepfather worked for them for years. I suspect it
is now a defunct designation given the evolution of Lockheed, just as BDSG,
which was a trademark for the Boeing Defense and Space Group, is now
defunct. Matt, I would suggest that you do a global Search and Replace of
LMSC with IEEE-802 and then let IEEE ask their legal department if they
think using LMSC in the future will be a problem for us. I sincerely doubt
it but it is probably worth getting an official determination just to be
safe. :-)
Thanx, Buzz
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From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On
Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 6:23 PM
To: Todd Glassey
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; 'James Gilb'
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Updated LMSC OM and LMSC P&P
Todd,
I'm not a lawyer, but we have been using LMSC for as long as I can remember.
I think things are context sensitive, and perhaps it could be argued that
our context is different enough from Lockheed's, but I'd prefer not to
venture an opinion.
One thing I will say is that in my editing instructions (not part of the
documents) I encouraged the use of IEEE 802 rather than LMSC just for
consistency. But old habits die hard, and clearly I've been slipping
backwards a bit. I guess this would be one more reason to favor IEEE 802
over LMSC for a title and I will once more endeavor to do so...
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
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-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Glassey [mailto:tglassey@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 10:05 AM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; 'James Gilb'
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Updated LMSC OM and LMSC P&P
Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
> James,
>
> Attached please find an updated LMSC Operations Manual and a new LMSC
Working Group Policies and Procedure for posting.
>
> All,
>
> For reference, I have taken the documents approved last week and done
purely formatting changes to make them appropriate for posting. The one
non-editorial change was in the section of the OM on directed positions.
There was one broken link I missed that would have pointed to a section
moved to the new WG P&P. For now, I have deleted the pointer (it does not
change any of the meanings). We can add it back later if desired.
>
> For reference I have created rev's 1 and 2 of documents EC 09-006 and
09-007 (the LMSC OM and LMSC WG P&P balloted). Rev 1 includes the
formatting and editorial changes I performed for reference in revisions
mode. Rev 2 is a clean (final) version of each document.
>
> I still need to finish formatting clean-up of the LMSC P&P and forward
that to AudCom for posting. I plan to complete that later today.
>
> The changes for the LMSC WG P&P were big and messy. Hopefully we are now
past the phase of massive changes and can now focus on smaller targeted
changes to improve our operations. For my own benefit, I plan to start work
on a LMSC OM revision to fix minor editorial issues, and simplify the LMSC
OM revision process (make it the same as the LMSC P&P except that it can be
changed more than once a year). During the March Plenary I will be
accepting other EC members personal pet peeves (as long as the changes
aren't too massive) for inclusion in a catch all rev to the LMSC OM that I
am willing to run. Please don't send your desired changes now as I'd prefer
not to stock pile at this point. At the end of the March Plenary I plan to
initiate another LMSC OM revision for the catch all changes.
>
> Regards to all,
>
> Mat
>
Mat LMSC is a registered trademark of Lockheed a tech company as I
recall - did anyone think about this?
Todd Glassey
> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
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