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Re: [802SEC] forwarded message from Mark Klerer to EC reflector



Paul,  I totally agree with Roger on this recommendation and would be
willing to make a motion to that effect if you are so inclined to accept
one.  

Conditional on passage of that motion I would then move that Mark Klerer
be designated as Conflicted for matters regarding to 802.20.   


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
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-----Original Message-----
From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@IEEE.ORG] 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:13 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] forwarded message from Mark Klerer to EC reflector

Paul,

It seems to me that the philosophy here is that, when the WG Chair's  
vote is based on the expressed opinion of the WG, then the Chair is  
voting not as a potentially conflicted individual but as a group  
representative. In this case, the WG Chair's affiliation is not  
relevant to the vote.

I think this is an interesting approach, and I support it, under two  
conditions:

(1) Our P&P specifically defines the Directed Position procedure in  
which a WG Chair is bound to support the WG position. Since this is  
the one and only tool that takes the voting decision out of the WG  
Chair's hands, then we should consider overriding the declared  
conflict only when the WG Chair is bound by a Directed Position.

(2) This condition is equally relevant to each member of the EC who  
serves as a WG Chair. Any such EC member who is bound to a Directed  
Position will be voting on that basis, not as a result of free choice  
that may be subject to perceived conflict. Therefore, the rule ought  
to apply equally to any EC member bound by a Directed Position.

Roger


On Apr 18, 2008, at 03:26 PM, Paul Nikolich wrote:

> Dear EC,
>
> I'm sending this to the reflector on behalf of Mark Klerer.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul
>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Klerer, Mark"  
>> <mklerer@qualcomm.com>
>> To: <paul
>> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: tentative tally +++un-conflicted EC motions #1-Gilb,  
>> #2-Law, #3-Kraemer regarding their 802.20 UC-EC membership+++
>>
>>
>>> I had sent out an e-mail to the reflector it does not seem to  
>>> have gone out
>>>
>>> It stated that you can classify me as conflicted but I would like  
>>> the authority to vote in accordance with the WG vote on any  
>>> motion brought forward on behalf of the WG were they had a vote  
>>> of more than 50%
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802- 
>>> SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
>>> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
>>> Sent: Fri Apr 18 14:05:50 2008
>>> Subject: tentative tally +++un-conflicted EC motions #1-Gilb, #2- 
>>> Law, #3-Kraemer regarding their 802.20 UC-EC membership+++
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> The tentative tally for the below motions #1-Gilb, #2-Law, #3- 
>>> Kraemer regarding their 802.20 UC-EC membership is as follows.   
>>> Note: I am waiting for an UC-EC member to make a motion regarding  
>>> Mark Klerer's classification.
>>>
>>> (UC-EC voting members eligible to participate)
>>> John Lemon--did not vote
>>> John Hawkins-did not vote
>>> Buzz Rigsbee--approves Gilb, Law and Kraemer
>>> Mike Lynch--approves Gilb, Law and Kraemer
>>> Tony Jeffree--approves Gilb, Law and Kraemer
>>> Bob Heile--approves Gilb, Law and Kraemer
>>>
>>> Paul Nikolich--non voting unless tie
>>> Geoff Thompson--non voting
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --Paul
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
>>> To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #1 regarding 802.20++ 
>>> +approve James Gilb as un-conflicted+++ closes not later than  
>>> 26APR2008+++
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Unconflicted EC members,
>>>
>>> This is a 10 day email ballot of the UC-EC.  The ballot closes 24  
>>> hours after the sooner of when all eligible UC-EC voting members  
>>> (John Hawkins, Buzz Rigsbee, Mike Lynch, Tony Jeffree, Bob Heile,  
>>> John Lemon and Paul Nikolich (if needed to break a tie)) have  
>>> cast a ballot or  26APR2008.
>>>
>>> Motion: "Add  James Gilb to the Unconflicted EC"
>>> Mover: Tony Jeffree
>>> Seconder: Mike Lynch
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --Paul Nikolich
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
>>> To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #2 regarding 802.20++ 
>>> +approve David Law as un-conflicted+++ closes not later than  
>>> 26APR2008+++
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Unconflicted EC members,
>>>
>>> This is a 10 day email ballot of the UC-EC.  The ballot closes 24  
>>> hours after the sooner of when all eligible UC-EC voting members  
>>> (John Hawkins, Buzz Rigsbee, Mike Lynch, Tony Jeffree, Bob Heile,  
>>> John Lemon and Paul Nikolich if needed to break a tie) have cast  
>>> a ballot or  26APR2008.
>>>
>>> Motion: "Add  David Law to the Unconflicted EC"
>>> Mover: Tony Jeffree
>>> Seconder: Mike Lynch
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --Paul Nikolich
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
>>> To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 1:22 PM
>>> Subject: [802SEC] +++un-conflicted EC motion #3 regarding 802.20++ 
>>> +approve Bruce Kraemer as un-conflicted+++ closes not later than  
>>> 26APR2008+++
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Unconflicted EC members,
>>>
>>> This is a 10 day email ballot of the UC-EC.  The ballot closes 24  
>>> hours after the sooner of when all eligible UC-EC voting members  
>>> (John Hawkins, Buzz Rigsbee, Mike Lynch, Tony Jeffree, Bob Heile,  
>>> John Lemon and Paul Nikolich if needed to break a tie) have cast  
>>> a ballot or  26APR2008.
>>>
>>> Motion: "Add  Bruce Kraemer to the Unconflicted EC"
>>> Mover: Tony Jeffree
>>> Seconder: Mike Lynch
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --Paul Nikolich
>>>
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