Re: [802SEC] Motion re: nNA venues for 2011 and 2012
First,
I am willing to second Carl's motion (but with a friendly amendment).
I can accept booking 2011 as a North American venue. There is only the
March meeting left and I think Buzz has already worked the deals.
However I believe we should be focusing all our energy on Non-NA venues
after that.
So my recommended motion if Carl will accept it is:
Moved: That 802 sign no further contracts for NA plenary venues beyond
2011 until we have *viable, affordable* nNA venues in place for 2012.
Until we start getting working non-NA venues, I think we all need to
chip in and assist Buzz. But we need to light a fire underneath
ourselves. 6 years to figure out how to do this is simply too long.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Rigsbee, Everett O
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:27 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Motion re: nNA venues for 2011 and 2012
Colleagues, This motion is a really "BAD" idea for several reasons
but I will explain a couple of them in some detail:
1. We have NO definitions for what is "viable" and what is "affordable"
beyond what we got in our last survey, which several people seem to
think was flawed in one or more ways. So I would suggest that if we
want to put any qualifiers on nNA venue selections we need to do some
homework to decide what are the appropriate qualifiers to ensure that
they produce the best Good for all of IEEE-802. I tend to agree with
Roger Marks that the best nNA venues will be those that have good
support from local hosts but finding appropriate hosts for nNA venues
will take some time as we have seen from Roger's schedule. And when
have we reached our goal ??? When we have selected a site for 2011, or
when we actually have all contracts in place, which might take up to a
year after selection? Do we also have to have a completed deal for
March 2012 as well ??? That might take another year to complete. How
do we know, "Are we done yet ???"
2. Meanwhile we have open slots in our schedule that we need to book 3
to 4 years out to get access to any of the venues we actually like, such
as San Francisco, Maui, New Orleans, and San Antonio. If we are not
actively booking those slots while we have good choices available, I can
absolutely guarantee that you will NOT like the choices we have at only
2 years out (are we ready for HR-DFW or Hilton WDW again ???). Right
now we do have some good choices that we have spent many hours working
to bring you, but if we pass on those for an indefinite period, you will
not get another shot at them. If we want to consider some constraints
on future venues let's focus on those that are in 2013 and beyond but I
would suggest that we do that by just not supporting venues further out
until we have some nNA venues on the schedule. But I sincerely believe
each venue needs to be judged on its own merits and that we need to
continuously seek guidance from our membership as to what is really most
important to the success of the organization as a whole.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing IT
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@wk3c.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:17 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Motion re: nNA venues for 2011 and 2012
Importance: High
Having been asked to wait until the previous ballot closed, the
following
would now appear to be timely.
Moved: That 802 sign no further contracts for NA plenary venues until we
have *viable, affordable* nNA venues in place for 2011 and 2012.
Background: It appears that we require some "feet to the fire"
motivation to
find, select, and contract for nNA plenary venues. This motion, if
approved, would require that we meet our 3 year old policy objective to
hold
at least one nNA plenary annually, starting at the earliest possible
time
and assure that ALL possible plenary session dates that are not already
contracted for be considered for nNA until we have contracted viable,
affordable nNA venues for 2011 and 2012.
Regards from the BoG meeting in Florida,
Carl
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