Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Bob, I would expect that since laptops in classrooms are now the norm
and not the exception that the University of Twente will have upgraded
their classroom seating to comfortably and safely accommodate laptops.
I think Geoff's concern about accessible power outlets is probably more
germane to the discussion. But clearly both factors and many others
would be considered before making any commitments for a July Plenary.
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@CISCO.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Buzz,
See Geoff's note on the seating at U of Twente. The "classroom" style
seating did not have tables or desks. The seats had fold up surfaces
that were significantly smaller than the base of a laptop. This is not
something that can be practically differentiated from "theater seating".
-Bob
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From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:00 PM
To: Bob O'Hara (boohara); STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Bob, Ah, we are having a semantic problem. Theater seating is chairs
or seats with no table or desktops (i.e. like a movie or concert
theater). Classroom seating is chairs or seats with either tables or
desktops (i.e. a place to put your laptop and/or your notes). All of
the seating at the 802-meetings in Twente was classroom seating (with
tables or desktops) because we worked hard to ensure that in all
meetings everyone would have some desk-space. OK ???
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing IT
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Seattle, WA 98124-2207
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Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@CISCO.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Buzz,
I did attend the University of Twente plenary and clearly recall sitting
in a lecture hall for the 802.11 plenaries and at least the MAC task
group meetings. So, there were definitely theater seating rooms at that
plenary.
-Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 1:58 PM
To: Bob O'Hara (boohara); STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Bob, I guess you were not at the Plenary at University of Twente or you
would know that all of our sets were Classroom (with desktops or tables)
or Boardroom (with tables). We had NO theater sets: none, zip, nada !!!
Virtually all classrooms except for auditorium theaters are set in
(surprise!!!) Classroom set-ups. Gee, I wonder how they came up with
the name, huh ??? :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing IT
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@CISCO.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Since we are putting such weight on the survey response, recall that our
membership told us overwhelmingly that they did not want theater-style
venues. Certainly all of the larger WGs would require that for their
plenaries and larger task forces/groups in a university setting, as that
is how the lecture halls are put together.
-Bob
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:28 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
I think a university campus would be fine. I'm willing to sacrifice the
convenience of having most of the attendees in one or two hotels in
order to get a non-NA venue that works for us.
An important issue that needs to be addressed for a non-hotel based
meeting is transportation (unless we expect most of our attendees to be
in on-campus student accomodation) - the site should have good public
transit access. Geneva at the ITU worked well because people could
easily get from their hotels to the ITU by hopping on a tram or bus -
transit was even free there with an access card provided by your hotel.
The IETF in Vienna was at a conference center (one connected to the UN
facility there) next to a metro stop. Most attendees were scattered in
downtown hotels - again with easy access by the metro or tram.
Pat
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] It doesn't have to be either or
Mat -
I have indeed tried to take just such an active role in the past - on
that occasion we came up against apathy on the part of the target
hotel & the idea crashed and burned.
Any solutions in the UK are likely to be based around university
campuses as far as I can tell. If that sounds at all interesting I
will see what I can do with the contacts I have. But it would almost
certainly NOT involve accommodation in a single hotel - maybe not
even in a hotel at all (student accommodation for example). In the
days when I was doing ISO SC21 I went to several meetings that were
organized on that basis.
Regards,
Tony
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