Re: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the non-conflicted EC?
All:
I find much to agree with in Mr. Takefman's comments.
I agree that "it is up to the NC-SASB to change their directive". As a
pint of interest, in the most recent SASB considerations, conflicted
members were not excluded from discussions on 802.20 (no need for closed
sessions), but the votes were taken with non-conflicted members. I
agree that discussion of project readiness for advancement through the
process should be an open discussion. To do otherwise would be grounds
for more appeals, something I hope we all want to avoid.
That said, I have no idea what the mode of operation will be at the
December SASB meeting. I assumed from the start that Paul's question
was nothing more than input for December SASB consideration. I also
would expect SASB members in such considerations to more strongly value
the opinion of the non-conflicted EC whether or not we want to inform
them of the complete EC opinion.
I find it very acceptable to make recommendations to the SASB at any
point we feel it is appropriate. As to it being premature to recommend
dissolution of the non-conflicted EC -- that I believe must be left for
decision by the non-conflicted EC (else it will have no weight with the
non-conflicted SASB).
--Bob
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Michael Takefman
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:25 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the
non-conflicted EC?
All,
As a member of the 802 OC and a former member of the 802 EC I'd like to
jump in.
I agree that it is up to the NC-SASB to change their directive
concerning
decision
making wrt. 802.20 and it is not in 802's power to change. Furthermore,
I
think
it is premature to be petitioning the NC-SASB for this change to occur.
I
would
want to see the NC-EC making decisions until the first standard is
approved
by
the SASB.
However, given the actions taken in July I am reasonably convinced that
the
need
for closed door meetings of the NC-EC will not be needed. Hence the
additional
burden should be low.
Furthermore, I believe that any decisions taken on moving 802.20 forward
to
Sponsor Ballot and to REVCOM be debated as normally done in 802 EC
meetings.
Everyone on the EC should be allowed to ask probative questions
concerning
the
readiness of the draft to be advanced and to state their opinion on its
readiness.
Members of the audience should be allowed time at the microphone as has
been
done in the past. However, the final decision rests with those members
who
are
part of the NC-EC.
regards,
mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:08 PM
Subject: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the non-conflicted
EC?
All,
I want to get a sense of the EC regarding the non-conflicted EC
partitioning
on 802.20 WG matters. Do you think it is reasonable for us to consider
abolishing the non-conflicted EC, now that the 802.20 WG has moved to
entity
voting and seems to be operating in a fair, open and unbiased manner (at
least that is my opinion)?
I am not sure if we have the authority to abolish the non-conflicted EC,
that may rest with SASB. But we can petition SASB to abolish it, if
that is
the consensus of the EC. Something to think about....
Please weigh in on this via the reflector. We can discuss it a bit at
the
opening EC meeting during the non-conflicted EC status request agenda
item,
but we don't have time to get in to a long discussion.
Regards,
--Paul
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