Re: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the non-conflicted EC?
Paul and Matt,
On Paul's question I believe that it would be fine to eliminate
the conflicted EC since things are running pretty smoothly in 802.20 at
this point. Nice job Arnie.
Matt brings up a different point, that those with interest in a
technology, or a competing technology, should recuse themselves. I
think that could lead to quite a mess given that I would assume that
everyone on the EC has some interest in the technologies being developed
in the various WGs. If we did not then what are we doing as part of the
EC. So I don't think it is reasonable for people to recuse themselves
from votes they might care about. And if some people recuse themselves
and others don't, that could result in some strange decisions. It is up
to the members of the EC to act in an ethical manner, which I believe is
how the EC operates. Of course if Matt, or anyone else, wants to recuse
themselves they have that right.
Regards,
Steve
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 5:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the
non-conflicted EC?
Fellow members of the EC,
My personal opinion is that we are past the crisis and should return to
normal operations... But please note that people who feel they are
conflicted can and should recuse themselves from any vote anyway.
A more interesting issue for me is that 802.16 and 802.20 now clearly
compete in the same market space. The whole reason why I have
voluntarily placed myself in the 'conflicted' category is that I am an
802.16 member and my company builds 802.16 equipment. That's not to say
that my reasoning is influenced by those facts. It's just that I chose
to avoid the possibility of ill will and future challenges because
someone could claim based on these surface facts that I am biased.
So even if we return to business as usual, it is likely I will continue
to recuse myself on the EC of most 802.20 matters. I might still asked
to be recognized on from floor as an 802.16 member to speak on a topic.
But I still want to avoid any appearance of conflict.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Engineering Fellow
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the
non-conflicted EC?
Pat,
Your assumption is correct--I want all members of the EC to provide
their
input. I apologize for the late notice, but it just occured to me this
week--so better late than never. We are at least getting the discussion
going, regardless if we can take any action next week.
Regards,
--Paul
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From: "Pat Thaler" <pthaler@BROADCOM.COM>
To: <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the
non-conflicted
EC?
> Paul,
>
> First off, I assume that those of us who are conflicted can state our
> opinion on this because reflector discussion isn't restricted to EC
> voters. However if it came down to a vote on action, it isn't clear to
> me whether the conflicted EC could vote.
>
> I don't think we can reverse what the SASB said we needed to do so the
> only action we could take would be to petition the SASB. Unless we
have
> some indication that they would be receptive to a petition, it doesn't
> seem worth spending time on.
>
> I have a timing issue with discussing this further at this point. Your
> email went out Wednesday afternoon before the plenary. I feel I would
> need to consult with my legal counsel before weighing in on this
> decision and my counsel might want some time to consider their
response.
> I expect I'm not the only recused EC member that feels that necessary.
I
> have a non-IEEE standards meeting Friday, travel time to it tomorrow
and
> a mountain of prep work to do for the meeting next week. I think more
> notice is necessary before this is discussed.
>
> I know the non-conflicted EC partitioning is a pain and I agree with
the
> sentiments that John Lemon expressed on a personal level, however once
> this was put in place, removing it isn't that simple.
>
> Regards,
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 2:09 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [802SEC] straw poll--is it time to abolish the non-conflicted
> EC?
>
> All,
>
> I want to get a sense of the EC regarding the non-conflicted EC
> partitioning on 802.20 WG matters. Do you think it is reasonable for
us
> to consider abolishing the non-conflicted EC, now that the 802.20 WG
has
> moved to entity voting and seems to be operating in a fair, open and
> unbiased manner (at least that is my opinion)?
>
> I am not sure if we have the authority to abolish the non-conflicted
EC,
> that may rest with SASB. But we can petition SASB to abolish it, if
> that is the consensus of the EC. Something to think about....
>
> Please weigh in on this via the reflector. We can discuss it a bit at
> the opening EC meeting during the non-conflicted EC status request
> agenda item, but we don't have time to get in to a long discussion.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul
>
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