Re: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
Carl,
I have just completed a very lengthy and intensive negotiation process
with the London hotels that were looking to assess a very large penalty
on us for failing to meet required pick-up for our January Session
because after "Overwhelming Support" for the London meeting at the SEC
and our signing contracts for a full plenary type session, two of our
larger WGs decided to boycott that meeting and we were left holding the
bag. We were very lucky that time that I was able to extricate us from
that mess with a substantially reduced penalty payment ($25K). We may
not be nearly as lucky next time. With the possibility of penalties
that could literally bankrupt our treasury looming on the horizon I do
not wish to rush into some nNA deal unless I have some assurance from
each of the WGs that we will not have a repeat of what happened in
London. That is my job; it is what I am not getting paid to do, and I
will do it as I see fit. We DO need to be careful here to not put
ourselves in jeopardy and I am trying my best to do that. It does not
help to have you accusing me of trying to sabotage the nNA venue. I
just want to be really sure that we do have solid support for paying the
2x costs that are required and that all our WGs will participate this
time. If I were to do anything less, I would expect a vote from the SEC
to remove me from my job for dereliction of duty.
While you may think there is overwhelming support from IEEE-SA for nNA
venues, I have been receiving strong cautionary messages from IEEE
Contract Procurement that it is a minefield out there and very easy to
get your organization into a serious bind with nNA venues. So I have
some extra incentive to be especially prudent in pursuing these deals.
I would hope that you would appreciate that.
So can we please cooperate in trying to be reasonably responsible in
making this decision and refrain from making inflammatory accusations
??? I believe we are all trying to do what is right for the good of
IEEE-802. Let's try to work together with that goal in mind, please.
:-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing IT
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@wk3c.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:57 AM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
Buzz,
The strawpoll at the joint opening plenary in Hawaii was overwhelming
for
Rome. The strawpoll in .22 (and to my knowledge the other groups in
Hawaii)
was overwhelming for Rome.
(There was full disclosure that non-NA meetings will cost more, so the
polls
were not based on a lack of reasonable cost information by those
polled.)
We (the EC) established a policy of "at least one non-NA plenary per
year
(starting ASAP)". (2011 is NOT "ASAP") We also have an implied
encouragement for internationalization based on the policy goals of the
IEEE-SA, as decided by the BoG (of which I am only one member, but the
support for the policy in the BoG is, per my recollection, unanimous).
What's the hold-up? "The people have spoken" and they want Rome. I
don't
believe that you are going to find any significant support for NOT doing
Rome, so why don't you give up what appears to be an effort on your part
to
avoid Rome (in favor of Vancouver, I point out, not some other non-NA
venue)
and just get it done for Rome?
With all respect,
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:53 AM
> To: wk3c@wk3c.com
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
>
>
> OK, thanx Carl. Can you send me an update when you get the numbers or
> at least give me your best estimate of the numbers (Y,N,A) and the
> number of attendees invited to vote ??? I'm trying to get enough data
> together to prove that our attendees really do want to do this even if
> it costs more.
>
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing IT
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
> Cell: (425) 417-1022
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@wk3c.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:07 PM
> To: Rigsbee, Everett O
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
>
> I don't have the exact numbers (don't have the minutes from
> my Secretary
> yet), but it was a significant majority for Rome.
>
> Carl
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:28 PM
> > To: wk3c@wk3c.com
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
> >
> >
> > Carl, Did you get a tally for the poll in 802.22 ???
> >
> > Thanx, Buzz
> > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > Boeing IT
> > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
> > Cell: (425) 417-1022
> > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@wk3c.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:51 PM
> > To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: RE: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > My official response is ROME for March 2009. Waiting until 2011 is
> > simply
> > unacceptable.
> >
> > That is not just my personal view, but the overwhelming result of a
> > strawpoll in .22 at the Sept interim. (The poll in the
> joint opening
> > plenary of all of the wireless WGs except .16 was likewise
> > overwhelming
> > ...)
> >
> > Sorry, but the members also don't seem to want to give you
> > the easy way
> > out
> > (Vancouver) - it's pretty clear to me that they also believe that we
> > must
> > "walk the walk" on being international.
> >
> > I, for one, am disappointed that all of the intervening
> opportunities
> > have
> > apparently been foreclosed by contracting for NA rather than non-NA
> > venues.
> > It was my understanding that we set a policy somewhere around
> > a year ago
> > of
> > having at least one 802 plenary a year in a non-NA venue ... Which
> > doesn't
> > "jive" with there being no opportunities between March 2009
> and 2011.
> > (If I
> > recall correctly, at that time we were booked up until March
> > 2009. How
> > did
> > everything between March 2009 and 2011 get filled up
> without at least
> > one
> > non-NA venue in between?
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > > [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of
> > > Rigsbee, Everett O
> > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:45 PM
> > > To: stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > > Cc: 802info@IEEE.ORG; dawns@FACETOFACE-EVENTS.COM;
> > > darcel@FACETOFACE-EVENTS.COM
> > > Subject: [802SEC] Responses on venue for March 2009
> > >
> > > Colleagues, Where there has been a good amount of
> discussion and
> > > comment on the venue proposals for March 2009 which were sent
> > > out, I had
> > > asked that we get an official response from each WG chair
> based on a
> > > poll at their interim session and an official indication of their
> > > preference from our other SEC members that are without WG
> > members. To
> > > date I have only one official response from Bob Heile for
> > 802.15. Can
> > > the rest of you please report back to me on your WG/personal
> > > preference
> > > ASAP so that we can zero in on our target for March 2009 and
> > > try and get
> > > a signed contract in place for us. Time is of the essence
> > > !!! :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanx again for your help and support.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanx, Buzz
> > > Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> > > Boeing IT
> > > PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> > > Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> > > Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
> > > Cell: (425) 417-1022
> > > everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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