Re: [802SEC] Final venue choices for our March 8-13, 2009 Plenary Session for your review
Hi Buzz,
I know it is a lot of work to put these together. I have a few
questions.
The prices you show for Rome are in dollars. Have they committed to
pricing in dollars or will price fluctuate with currency changes?
It looks like you are predicting low attendance in Rome. That is
probably a good conservative level to base pricing on but attendance at
an expensive venue often depends on what state projects are in.
* If we get more like usual attendance, can the venue handle it?
* Does the meeting room rental stay the same?
* I think we should set the registration fee lower than the cost
of the meeting since we have said we are building up money in our
treasury to handle extra expense of a non-NA venue. Can we do that but
set it high enough to cover the variable costs of additional attendees
so we don't lose more than we expect if more attendees show up?
What is our exposure to room nights? At $255 to 280, some attendees may
book at other hotels. There are plenty of 3 star places that come up on
the internet with much cheaper prices. Does $400,000 for meeting space
at least buffer us from extra charges if attendees bail to stay at a
hotel that costs $150 a night?
Regards,
Pat
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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Final venue choices for our March 8-13, 2009
Plenary Session for your review
Steve, We offered 3 choices for non-North American venues for the March
8-13, 2009 timeslot.
Geneva @ITU (#1 preference) unfortunately declined to complete a deal
with us for lack of enough meeting space during that time window. We
also need ITU sponsorship for that to work. We have been told that they
would gladly consider hosting us for our March 2011 session.
Park Marriott Rome (#2 preference) has made us a fair offer based on
their current pricing and has the rooms and meeting space available, but
it IS an expensive alternative.
The Hilton London Metropole also made an expensive offer but received
such a low vote total on the preference poll that we did not pursue that
option further.
We already have contracted deals for the other slots for 2009 and 2010,
so March 2011 is our first next choice for a nNA venue, and we will hope
to offer Geneva for that slot as soon as we have an official invitation
through the ITU.
Meanwhile may I remind you that Bob Heile is primarily responsible for
our nNA choices, and frankly I'm a bit tired of offering nNA venues that
we have warned time and again WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE than their NA
alternatives only to hear a chorus of complaints that they are too
expensive. If you really want to do nNA plenaries, you have to be
willing to pay the going rate. If we really can't afford to do these,
then let's stop kidding ourselves that we want to do them. With the
diminishing dollar the going rate get worse every year and we get
further away, not closer. Just hoping to get NA deals at nNA venues is
a waste of time. It's time to put our money where our mouth is, or
change our story.
I don't mean to dump on you, Steve, but I've got a very large investment
of my own personal time in chasing this nNA fantasy with little more
than a passel of complaints to show for my efforts. If you don't like
the choices you are getting, please talk to Bob Heile. And if anyone
thinks they can find better choices for IEEE-802 Plenaries, they are all
too welcome to step-up and show us.
{end of Rant}
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing IT
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
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From: Shellhammer, Steve [mailto:sshellha@QUALCOMM.COM]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:07 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Final venue choices for our March 8-13, 2009
Plenary Session for your review
Buzz,
Carl brings up an interesting point. Is this meeting intended
to be the non-North America plenary? If we end up picking Vancouver for
March do we schedule a non-North America plenary in July 2009?
Regards,
Steve
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Carl R. Stevenson
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 12:55 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Final venue choices for our March 8-13, 2009
Plenary Session for your review
Buzz,
Speaking for myself, I vote for the Rome location.
We've done Vancouver 2 or 3 times and while it's easier via-wise for
some of
our attendees than the US, it's still a North American venue and I think
that the EC should reject it in favor of the Rome location. (I am
disappointed that several Asian venues apparently didn't work out.)
As a member of the EC and the SA Board of Governors, I don't believe
that
Vancouver truly meets our stated policy goals of "walking the walk" as
an
international SDO by holding 802 plenaries in non-North American venues.
Other groups in the SA do ... Why is it so difficult for us?
Having the "choice" between an (we know they are more expensive) EU (or
Asian) venue vs. Vancouver doesn't seem like a fair question when taken
in
the context of our policy goal. It puts us in the position of "choose
the
more expensive one and meet the goal or choose the cheaper one and
ignore/abandon the goal."
I am finding this situation increasingly unacceptable. If you have any
immediate feedback, please e-mail me directly.
Regards,
Carl
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> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of
> Rigsbee, Everett O
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:03 PM
> To: stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Cc: 802info@IEEE.ORG; dawns@facetoface-events.com
> Subject: [802SEC] Final venue choices for our March 8-13,
> 2009 Plenary Session for your review
>
>
>
> Colleagues, Please see the attached summary of our final venue
> choices for March 2009. Please share the information with
> your respective Working Groups during your interim sessions
> and give us your and/or your WG response on preferences. We
> need to close on this choice very shortly now or we will lose
> the options. We still have an option for Geneva for March
> 2011 that we can pursue.
>
>
>
> Thanx again for your cooperation and support. :-)
>
>
>
> Thanx, Buzz
> Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
> Boeing IT
> PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
> Seattle, WA 98124-2207
> Ph: (425) 373-8960 Fx: (425) 865-7960
> Cell: (425) 417-1022
> everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com
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