Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] Proposed 802 Chair's Guideline Pertaining to Patents Etc.
Colleagues,
In looking at the PatCom faq
http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf
(thanks David for pointing it out), I find it covers the same ground
that has been put into the chair's guideline and I think it does so with
more clarity. For example, on the issue of whether the policy needs to
be read every day of a multi-day meeting:
<begin quote>
5. Our group gathers for several days during a single week. Does the
chair have to announce
the policy every day?
The Working Group Chair or his or her designee shall issue the call at
every Working Group
meeting. If a group is "meeting" for consecutive days and the attendance
is substantially the
same for each day of the gathering, the policy only needs to be read
once. If the chair plans
not to read or display the policy each day, then the chair must either
(a) ensure that the policy
or a URL for it has been sent out to all attendees prior to the meeting
(and is available in the
registration packet for any on-site registrants), or (b) announce each
day that the meeting is
subject to the patent policy as read or displayed on the first day.
Note, though, that this rule
applies separately to each "group" that is "meeting" during the week.
For example, if a
working group holds a meeting during the same week as its task group,
task force, and/or
study group, the chair of each of those groups must read or display the
policy at the
beginning of that group's first day of "meeting."
<end quote>
That language makes it clear that when an IEEE 802 WG meets then breaks
into TG/TF meetings, the policy is suppose to be read again at each
TG/TF meeting. It allows for distribution of the policy URL ahead of
time and at on-site registration to be used in place of annoucements
when the same group (WG, TG or TF) meets on additional days.
Rather than have a chair's guide that repeats but rewords the faq on
when the policy should be read, we should just reference questions 3
through 7 of the FAQ.
Regards,
Pat
P.S. David, I notice that the FAQ (which is only posted as a PDF) has
lots of text that looks like it is intended to have a link (in blue and
underlined) but there are no links. It looks like the pdf needs to be
recreated with links included.
***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org>
wrote on 21/06/2007 19:45:06:
> I'm not sure I'm interpreting what you are saying in the attached
> document correctly, but it doesn't seem to give any relief in the
> amount of time that will be taken presenting the patent policy slides.
> If any thing, it expands what is required depending on how "meeting"
> is interpreted. When my task group meets for two days during a
> plenary, it looks like it requires the full slide presentation at the
> beginning of the first day, then if each day is considered a
> "meeting", the URL slide needs to be shown at the beginning of each
> day. Or does the lunch break make the afternoon a new meeting?
> What happened to what we discussed about meetings with registration?
> It would seem just as effective, possibly more effective, to require
> that participants acknowledge that they have read the patent policy
> slide set material in order to complete registration. When this has
> been done, it should be enough at the meeting to show a condensed one
> page slide with URLs and the chair's statement described for online or
> teleconference
> meetings: "The chair shall also make a statement if any individual
> believes that patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s) might be or
> may become essential patent claims, that fact should be made known.
> The fact that this statements were made, and any responses that were
> given, specifically the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s)
> and/or the holder of the patent claim(s)/patent application claim(s)
> that were identified (if any) and by whom, shall be duly recorded in
the minutes."
> The IETF has acknowledging their patent policy as part of the
> registration process.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carl R. Stevenson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:01 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] Proposed 802 Chair's Guideline
> Pertaining to Patents Etc.
> 802.22 participants and EC members,
> I have received a number of comments/complaints about the amount of
> meeting time that the "expanded" Patent Policy and Anti-trust slides
> require and the repetitive nature of the presentation thereof (802
> opening plenary/Joint Wireless WG opening plenary, WG opening plenary,
> TG meetings, etc.).
> Thanks to the 802.22 ad hoc leaders who have been including a link to
> the slideset in their weekly conference call agendas and reminding
> participants in each call that our activities are governed by those
> policies.
> As a member of the IEEE-SA Board of Governors ("BoG") I had already
> requested some time for discussion on the agenda of the upcoming BoG
> meeting next week, with the goal of seeking some guidance on how many
> times the slideset needs to be presented, when I received the attached
> message from the Chair of 802.11 to the 802 Executive Committee.
> I will take the contents of the attached document into account in the
> discussions at the BoG next week, but would also welcome any
> additional comments/suggestions from members of 802.22 and/or the 802
> EC (on behalf of your WG members) that you may have regarding the
> proposals in the attached document.
> Regards,
> Carl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
> On Behalf Of Stuart J. Kerry
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:56 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Cc: David_Law@3com.com; d.ringle@ieee.org
> Subject: [802SEC] Proposed 802 Chair's Guideline Pertaining to Patents
> Etc.
>
> 802 EC Colleagues.
> Paul Nikolich has asked me to forward the attached document to you all
> in advance, regarding the proposed addition to his 802 Chair's
> Guidelines that would pertain to the IEEE patent policy etc, within
802.
> At Paul's request I have been working with David Law and the following
> folks at the IEEE namely, Dave Ringle, Karen Kenney, Michael Lindsay,
> and Claire Topp. We have now reached consensus within this group and
> with this Paul will present for information and discussion at the
> opening EC meeting during our San Francisco meeting.
> May I respectfully suggest that you review the document in advance and
> bring your comments and suggestions with you and make them when Paul
> presents.
> On behalf of Paul, thank you for your consideration.
> Regards
> / Stuart
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