Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than 12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
Buzz,
I don't interpret those statements as contradictory. We are saying, that
we don't think CS should be a sponsor of the work and that we are okay
with other societies sponsoring the work as long as they do it such that
they don't interfere with our work.
CS sponsoring the work wouldn't necessarily keep it from interfering
with our scope of work or producing standards that have conflicting use
of the same spectrum as our work. Liaison with 802 may be helpful in
achieving that goal, thouh only to the extent that we get some of our
participants to review what the dysan guys are producing.
Regards,
Pat
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Rigsbee, Everett O
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:37 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than
12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards
Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
So why are we all voting to send out such an embarrassingly illogical
statement ???
I don't get it .... :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:jhawkins@nortel.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 7:28 PM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than
12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards
Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
Fair enough, I agree we are speaking out of both sides of our mouths.
But I quote the FIRST sentence of the response: "The IEEE 802 executive
committee recommends that the Computer Society *not* become a sponsor of
the proposed standards coordinating committee on dynamic spectrum access
networks." (emphasis mine).
I my guess is we should have stopped there... :-)
john
-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 1:51 PM
To: Hawkins, John (WWP1:1847); STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than
12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards
Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
John, With regard to your comment on my comment, I quote the final
sentence of the statement we are sending:
"In summary, IEEE 802 is fine with the establishment of the SCC on
DySPAN as long as the scope of work does not conflict with the work done
in IEEE 802."
If that doesn't say, "go ahead, just don't interfere with us," I must be
using a different version of tech-speak than you." :-)
Thanx, Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing IT
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Hawkins [mailto:jhawkins@NORTEL.COM]
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 9:02 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than
12FEB2007)+++ Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards
Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
I approve.
With regards to Buzz's comment, I don't think we are telling them "go
ahead just don't interfere with us," just the opposite. We are saying we
cannot support such a group (and recommend CS not become a sponsor)
based on several concerns spelled out in the letter. It is not at all
clear to me what sort of jurisdiction/authority the group would have
over our (or anybody else's) standards. I think that needs to be spelled
out before we agree to become party to it.
j
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:52 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than 12FEB2007)+++
Motion to approve the statement regarding the Standards Coordinating
Committee on Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
Dear EC members,
Motion to approve the following text be sent in a letter from Paul
Nikolich to the IEEE Computer Society.
Moved by Steve Shellhammer, seconded by Carl Stevenson.
The decision will be made via EC email ballot and shall close no later
than
12FEB2007 or 24 hours after all EC members cast a vote.
Regards,
--Paul
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The IEEE 802 executive committee recommends that the Computer Society
not become a sponsor of the proposed standards coordinating committee on
dynamic spectrum access networks.
In addition the IEEE 802 executive committee recommends the Computer
Society forward the following comments to the IEEE 1900 steering
committee and the IEEE Standards Board, on behalf of IEEE 802.
IEEE 802 appreciates that some future wireless standards will
incorporate dynamic spectrum access technologies. In fact, IEEE 802 has
a working group (802.22) developing a standard for unlicensed broadband
access operation on geographically unused channels in the television
bands, which incorporates dynamic spectrum access technologies. IEEE
802's only concern regarding the establishment of a standards
coordination committee (SCC) on dynamic spectrum access networks
(DySPAN) is any potential conflict between the SCC and activities, both
present and future, within IEEE 802.
The IEEE 802 organization has a long history of development of wireless
networking standards. There are currently six wireless working groups
and two wireless technical advisory committees (TAGs) within IEEE 802.
If a SCC on DySPAN were to be established the IEEE 802 leadership needs
to be assured that the existence of such a SCC would not preclude IEEE
802 from initiating and running new wireless projects within IEEE 802
which may incorporate dynamic spectrum access technologies.
IEEE 802 has always been the place within the IEEE for standardizing
wired and wireless networking standards, and we believe that fundamental
networking standards are best handled within IEEE 802. We are sure
there are many additional standards developments that can be covered in
the DySPAN SCC which will not conflict with the fundamental wireless
networking standards being developed within IEEE 802.
In summary, IEEE 802 is fine with the establishment of the SCC on DySPAN
as long as the scope of work does not conflict with the work done in
IEEE 802.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:17 PM
To: Shellhammer, Steve; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on
Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
Steve,
I just re-read the inquiry from the CS-SAB Chair. It said: "If LMSC/802
wishes to formalize their involvement, then IEEE-CS should be the 3rd
Society join with this SCC with ComSoc & EMC."
Based on the responses I've seen from the EC on the draft response
letter, I think it is safe to assume LMSC is not interested in becoming
formally involved with the SCC. Furthermore LMSC is not a 'society',
the Computer Society is, and I would not recommend CS become involved
with the SCC.
Regardless, I would prefer to have an EC decision via motion regarding
this matter, it would include approving your draft text and making a
recommendation against formally engaging with the proposed SCC. Please
prepare text for a motion, obtain a second and I'll run an EC email
ballot.
Regards,
--Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shellhammer, Steve" <sshellha@QUALCOMM.COM>
To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: [802SEC] FW: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on
Dynamic Spectrum Access Networks
Paul,
I just wanted to send you a reminder about this. I have incorporated
the suggested edits. When we first talked about this you made an
off-the-cuff comment about running an electronic ballot about this. I
don't know if that is necessary, but if you feel it is I suggest you
start it right away, since the Computer Society has asked for a response
by February 13.
Regards,
Steve
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 12:20 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic
Spectrum Access Networks
Carl,
Thank you for your comments, which I have incorporated in to
revision 1 (attached).
Does anyone else have any additional comment?
If not, then Paul can send this to the Computer Society. Paul,
you may want to format it into a letter from you to the appropriate
person in the Computer Society.
Steve
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Carl R. Stevenson
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:34 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic
Spectrum Access Networks
Dear all,
I have attached a couple of suggested changes to Steve's document with
my
initials appended to the filename.
My main concern is that we not get into repeating situations similar to
the
one we had with a project that overlaps the scope of 802.3.
Regards,
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
On
Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:09 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Standards Coordinating Committee on Dynamic Spectrum
Access Networks
EC Members,
The IEEE 1900 standards group has proposed the formation of
a
Standards Coordinating Committee (SCC) on dynamic spectrum access
networks
(DySPAN). This is a new field of wireless networks in which an
unlicensed
system dynamically utilized spectrum unused by licensed wireless
systems.
The first example of this technology will be the unlicensed used of
unused
TV bands. This is what is being standardized within IEEE 802.22.
Paul received information on this proposal (see attached)
from
John Walz and Kathy Land of the Computer Society. We have been asked to
submit any comments we have to the computer society by February 13.
Paul and Carl and I exchanged a few email and Carl and I
spoke
about this. Paul wanted someone to craft some text for our comments on
this
proposed SCC. So I have drafted some initial comments, which are
attached.
Please review these comments and send any edits or any other
comments you have to the EC reflector. I will attempt to capture the
consensus of the feedback and will revise the comments accordingly.
Thanks,
Steve
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