Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Procedures
I agree with Bob's comments and also vote Disapprove.
Regards,
Carl
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Procedures
Colleagues:
I opted to eliminate all of the previous discussion from this message, but I
may reference some of it.
Though I support much in this ballot, I vote Disapprove.
The primary textual problems are 7.4.2.3 and one issue related to 7.4.2.1.
I also vote disapprove because changes in this area are premature based on
active work at the IEEE-SA and IEEE levels.
1. Disapprove, General -- There is currently a Voting ad-hoc committee
working to refine IEEE requirements for IEEE-SA standards development needs.
One item of discussion is if our letter ballot process is consistent with
IEEE Bylaws. LMSC representatives at the Standards Board have argued that
it is because it really isn't a "vote". The action is taken by the LMSC EC
which is consistent with IEEE Bylaws requirements for electronic process.
This work also could also affect quorum and "voting in a meeting"
requirements. Though the major issue is with electronic voting which
includes our "letter ballots".
We should wait to see what is resolve here before we start fixing language
about what votes are required, the process required for those votes and the
language used to describe them.
2. Disapprove, p.2, l.4 -- I agree with others that 7.4.2.3 is totally
messed up. The lack of parallel construction (issues v. motions) is very
broken. Should use parallel construction.
3. p.2, l.3 -- While these changes attempt to remove the non-parallel
procedural and technical, the use of procedural was useful in refining what
is appropriately considered non-technical.
4. Disapprove, p.2, l.4 -- I agree with others that attempting to define
"technical" is an ill-advised "rat hole". I could live with language that
is inclusive rather than definitive "(e.g., actions that affect the content
of a draft)".
5. Disapprove, p.2, l.3 -- The old language allowed the Chair to decide a
procedural issue, to put a procedural issue to some kind of decision process
consistent with open, fair and democratic process, or even (as some might
wish to be the only alternative) to be decided via motion and Robert's Rules
of Order.
6. Disapprove, p.2, l.15 -- The added second sentence to 7.2.4.2.1 give far
too much weight to RROR as it is now the recommend guide for parliamentary
procedure. Remove it.
7. p.2, l.28 -- Inconsistent capitalization of Voter. Make consistent.
8. p.4, l.4 -- With changes, should also include electronic ballots.
--Bob Grow
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 8:16 PM
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Subject: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Procedures
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot titled 'WG
Voting Procedures'. This ballot was approved at the Friday July 21st, 2006
EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the meeting. The
purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot
document.
Ballot Duration: 9/3/2006 - 10/3/2006 @ 11:59 PM EDT
WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your groups,
and invite them to comment through you. Please direct any comments on this
revision to the reflector, myself, and Al Petrick (
apetrick@widefi.com) for collection. A ballot resolution teleconference
will be scheduled for sometime prior to the November 2006 Plenary Session.
Thanks & Regards,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE Systems Network Enabled Solutions (NES)
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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